Why is the US Navy getting blamed for this?

They aren't the only ones who have a part in this program, yet the OP would have you believe that they caused this.

Is there any chance that the author could come up with some solid evidence, like an order for the "test" that was signed by someone from the Navy?

I am also a little confused how HAARP could cause earthquakes.

Thank you OP for bringing these findings to our attention.

I will be sure to follow what is going on in this thread but i am afraid i cannot contribute anything more meaningfull than my respect and interest so far.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Why is the US Navy getting blamed for this?

They aren't the only ones who have a part in this program, yet the OP would have you believe that they caused this.

You are right.. But the US Navy is the main one claiming that they are the major players running HAARP.. It could be a black operation though. I would think most higher ups in the real US Navy are good guys in reality. But since the US Navy publicly claims running HAARP and they are given commands from "The Decider" .. I think we all know who is to blame here.

Is there any chance that the author could come up with some solid evidence, like an order for the "test" that was signed by someone from the Navy?

Haha.. No I cannot come up with an order for the test. (I don't think so at least.. can anyone else? Where would you look?)
Even if it was not the US Navy it was someone who is in control of HAARP. Which would have to be an agency in the US Government. I was going to call the whole US gov out in the title.. but then I would be getting 20 times more complaints.. "how can you say the whole government did it". It's just plain public info that the Navy is the main player in HAARP.. unless there (like I said earlier) is a black op running it and the Navy being there is just a front.

I am also a little confused how HAARP could cause earthquakes.

It is confusing.. but here it is in a nutshell.. They charge up the atmosphere for a while.. then direct it into the earth core. Then BAM.. you have an earthquake. It's quite simple actually. The data shows they did it too.. spend some time analyzing the data you will see.

Peace

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[edit on 22-4-2008 by danman23]

Originally posted by jaamaan
Thank you OP for bringing these findings to our attention.

I will be sure to follow what is going on in this thread but i am afraid i cannot contribute anything more meaningfull than my respect and interest so far.

Thank You!! Spread the word.. Ill have much more info on other things soon.

Originally posted by danman23
It is confusing.. but here it is in a nutshell.. They charge up the atmosphere for a while.. then direct it into the earth core. Then BAM.. you have an earthquake. It's quite simple actually. The data shows they did it too.. spend some time analyzing the data you will see.

How, exactly, do they direct it into the core? Does it just bounce back from the charged atmosphere? How do they direct it? How do they ensure it goes where they want it to?

Originally posted by danman23

First off.. im a website designer.

So you don't have years of experience in interpreting digisonde data?

Perhaps you could show how the data for the date of the earthquake was significantly different from data recorded on other days?

Have you compared similar readings for other stations?

Do you know what you are talking about?

Why was there not another earthquake today?

Good catch on the UTC guys! I must have overlooked that when I was reading the thread.

I hadn't noted the times when I first looked at the thread, probably because it was so early in the morning. (Teach meh not to read in the morning)

[Edit to add this]

Dan...what doesn't being a web designer have to do with on-server recording? A designer doesn't make you a sound tech, server tech, or anything else therein. Just so you know, that didn't help your cause.

Still though, you do pose an interesting idea...no doubt about that.

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danman23,

Great thread! You may really be on to something here. Again and again I have seen the "contrails" over the valley I live in coalesce into cloud cover, just like in the first pictures you showed. The jets fly over at the same altitude on mostly parallel and some perpendicular vectors. That altitude varies according to weather conditions. Could it be they are leaving their "contrails" at just the right altitude where temperature, pressure, and humidity bring about an instant dewpoint, or its equivalent for their purposes? Is the cloud cover intended to be some kind of barrier or shield to keep prying eyes on the ground from seeing what is happening in the upper atmosphere above them? Or do the clouds provide a lensing effect to focus the HAARP energy when it is directed into the ground? Does the beam somehow travel right down the center of the low?

I would be careful with COOL HAND, if I were you. He is probing you to see how much you know and how much you have figured out. I believe he is a former SEAL or something, and maybe current Special Operator, probably engaged in intelligence gathering and PsyOps right here on ATS. You would be best served by not divulging further sensitive information about your investigation in the clear like this. As a matter of fact, you need to take some real precautions if you are going to go any further down the rabbit hole you've discovered. The fact that you are an American citizen means nothing to the people behind this stuff. Watch your back. Duplicate and sequester your information. Maybe you should reach out to the Sons of Liberty. I don't know. Whatever you do, be careful.

Peace.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
I would be careful with COOL HAND, if I were you. He is probing you to see how much you know and how much you have figured out. I believe he is a former SEAL or something, and maybe current Special Operator,

No comment.

probably engaged in intelligence gathering and PsyOps right here on ATS.

Nope, just trying to deny ignorance. Isn't that what this site is about?

You would be best served by not divulging further sensitive information about your investigation in the clear like this. As a matter of fact, you need to take some real precautions if you are going to go any further down the rabbit hole you've discovered. The fact that you are an American citizen means nothing to the people behind this stuff. Watch your back. Duplicate and sequester your information. Maybe you should reach out to the Sons of Liberty. I don't know. Whatever you do, be careful.

Whatever, obviously you are not interested in the truth or further research. The author has done enough, in your mind, to prove that it is real. Rather than try to disprove those who would challenge him, you would rather he pack it in and call it a day.

Wow.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising

I would be careful with COOL HAND, if I were you. He is probing you to see how much you know and how much you have figured out. I believe he is a former SEAL or something, and maybe current Special Operator, probably engaged in intelligence gathering and PsyOps right here on ATS.

Or maybe he knows what he's talking about and and you don't like it?

Fact is, interpretation of the data presented in this thread is highly specialised - who here would care to dictate their father's heart surgery? Which would be much easier ....

H*ll, who here can interpret computer models to issue a weather forecast?

What makes you think you know so much?

Arrogance?

Or ignornance?

Sheesh guys... Icarus is just joking.

It might be a good move if posters stuck to the topic rather than each other or the big bad threatening 'whomevers'.

Right or wrong, kudos to the OP for the excellent work put into this thread.

Here's my take on it. I do not know how to read those graphs, because information which allows those graphs to be correctly interpreted appears to have been omitted. Because I admit to not understanding what the data in the graph represents, however, does not mean that I will readily accept someone else's interpretation of said data.

I'm also astounded how ATS has become so full of people who immediately jump to ad hominem arguments. Just because someone believes differently than you does not make their statements invalid. Stop attacking the person and address the issue they've brought up.

Cool Hand asked valid questions, namely, "Why is the US Navy being blamed," and "How is it directed into the core." He was then immediately attacked for not having done his research, and labeled a disinformation agent; but his only trespass was asking for more information, and some explanation. His defense of "I'm trying to deny ignorance," is entirely plausible. I see no reason for him to be labeled a disinformation agent.

The main problem with the argument of the OP, is that he's building his entire conspiracy theory based on OTHER conspiracy theories, namely, those things which HAARP may or may not be able to do. Always remember too, that the burden of proof rests on those making the claims, not on the people who disagree with them. When someone disagrees with something you've stated as fact, don't insist that THEY do research to prove it to themselves. I've reviewed the links posted and am still scratching my head at the interpretations of the data, because, again, not enough data is given to reach these conclusions. This doesn't mean that they're wrong conclusions, just that they take a bit of a leap of faith to believe.

Here's an idea I had while reading though: Could the change in pressure, from a large low pressure system stalled over so large an area. cause minor quakes? It sounds plausible, but I don't know. I'm no geologist/meteorologist.

All this having been said, though, I have to say that I'd be the first to say that HAARP is probably still a bad idea; muck up the atmosphere, and we've got a serious problem on our hands.