reply to post by topsecretombomb
Lucifer didn't turn on anyone. That is a mistranslation that goes back to the translation of The Word from Greek to Latin. If anyone including old
philosophers speak of "The Devil" the mistake is that his name has been and always was "Satan- The Advasary." Lucifer is the ancient name for
Venus. If you look to the sky just before dawn or at dusk you can see Venus all lit up. Before it was know that it was the same object in the sky at
night it was called Venus aka "Evening Star" and at dawn Lucifer The Mourning Star. The Latin word Lucifer actualy means "Light Bearer" and is
said to also mean "Bringer of False Light" by some, I can't say for sure about that little tid bit (Bringer of False Light) so don't try to argue
it. Take it for what it's worth.
Here is where the translation and the whole lore of "Lucifer" came into being. This is an internet passage that I got from a link on Wikipedia and
I'll give you yet another and then you'll see how painfully obvious this really is.
Hebrew Bible. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the mourning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast
lots over the nations!
As you can see they referance "day-star."
My next referance comes from my Hebrew, Greek, and English Interlinear Bible. I'm not going to say the copyright info for obvious reasons.
From the Hebrew text, Isaiah 14:12 O shining star, son of the morning, how you have fallen from the heavens! You weakening the nations, you are cut
down to the ground.
Also no mention of "Lucifer" but there are many to the effect of "mourning star and day-star" which the Romans would translate to??? "Lucifer-
Mourning Star in Latin, you see.
As to the whole idea of the person mentioned being Satan,
(Hebrew Text) Isaiah 14:16 They that see you shall stare and closely watch you, saying, Is this the MAN
who made the Earth tremble, shaking
I didn't put all the verses in because I just want to show you that they are talking about a Man not a "Fallen Angel" mosty likely a Babylonian or
Assyrian King. Both enemies of Israel and Judea. Prob. Merodach-Baladan, Sargon,or Sargon's successor Sennacherib.
Here are some other bits of info that will help a bit, Devil from the Greek (Diabolos)=Slanderer, Satan from the Hebrew (Ha-Satan)= The Accuser. It is
traditionaly thought that the Devil is more of a little brotherof sorts that trys to show GOD that we are not worthy.
In any event this whole Lucifer thing is an embellishment from Dante and a mistranslation. I think that it is in reality a matter of philosophy to
tell you the truth. When you hear philosophers speak of Lucifer they are talking about a hidden Gnosis as it was known in the past..... Check it out
for yourselves don't take my word for it. I just wanted to show you the truth go and "see" the truth for yourself. It's in The Bible Look in the
Old Hebrew Text.
So, i would say that first of all besides Pike I haven't read any Masonic Lit. that talks about "Lucifer." And even if you want to go that route,
Pike nor the Rosicrucian order could do so either, at least in the manner in which you speak.
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