Lander Zeroes in On Martian North Pole, page 9
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reply posted on 1-6-2008 @ 09:43 AM by ArMaP
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The only images I know are available here and here, mixed with some "artistic renditions".

I will try to find more.


reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 12:32 AM by Enceladus
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Thanks for your post. That is really an interesting object. I don't think so it is a screw or a spring. It look like a SHELL we see in sea shores.





What are the chances of using the robotic arm to check this object?


reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 11:24 PM by vze2xjjk
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I can help you understand why the rovers have lasted so long.I designed the initial drawings and concepts for the Mars rovers 1987. Batteries that freeze soon die,however I chose to supply the batteries with a heater that would not die(in our lifetimes),PLUTONIUM. There were pros and cons with that decision. The cold of space is unforgiving.Millions of dollars of science depended on rovers that could do their jobs.I was most interested in finding evidence of Life on Mars.That takes TIME.JPL jobs and FUTURE jobs and FUTURE MISSIONS depended on initial successes. Grabbing people's attention was so important,because they fund the Mars Missions.Mass support from the "AUDIENCE" was the real test because society is fickle and will dump a loser in a heartbeat. Airbags were my solution for successful landing in a controlled crash.Unbelievably nasa seriously considered dumping the rovers,shutting them down as successful as they were,just like they seriously considered dumping the Hubble space telescope.Nasa likes to cut corners on space shuttles too,and people die. I hope that answers your question.
This is a mars man,seen by me april 2004. You have to try hard to see him because nasa masks the images and knew about life on Mars 1976,32 years ago. Americans want simple answers.There's so much more to the story.



reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 08:48 AM by vze2xjjk
see the whitish tube at bottom right in this pic several feet from the "screw" pic. This tube is wider than the"screw" because a snake skin varies in width with the size of body. It looks somewhat buried,since probably the rockets of the lander "unearthed" it when thrust blew away layers of dust and some dirt. Ahollow tub like that resembles a shed snake skin,with "ribbing" or rings of support between thinner membrane. I'm not saying thsi is definitely snake skin,but offering that possibility because of the whitish aspect of the "screw" and proximity(few feet).Perhaps a better "color match" would connect them better. Both items are directly under the lander and therefor deserve intense scrutiny and study. However,I suspect nasa is in denial about Life on Mars and will therefor ignore these similar artifacts and deny truth. The scoop on the lander is fully capable of analyzing both artifacts and with little effort pick both up and offer several different types of analysis. Likewise I'm looking at the smooth article under the lander which is easily the size of a face. I believe it is the smooth frozen perhaps remains of a face. I see a nose and eye holes and smooth brow. I am pretty certain it was once alive because of the beautiful symetry. How lucky that the lander touched down over a well preserved face. How many months do we have to investigate? Three months? I hope nasa doesn't decide to use the scoop to cover up the face with dirt. It wouldn't surprise me ,though.
Is that One Tube or 2 TUBES ?


reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 09:07 AM by vze2xjjk
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Enceladus,thanks for posting that pic.I'm sure some are very interested in the composition of the soils of Mars. This is a random sample.The "unscientific" heads up I have for the "above -nasa-official -story" I have to deliver is very hopeful,yet subdued enthusiasm about the contents of that scoop.Think of fish heads the size of GUPPIES.Just very tiny heads are what I see(all dead I believe). In other words that scoop is about half dirt and half organic material by my best reckoning. I will be totally dismayed if nasa reports no organic material found,and just reports about ICE. Jerry Lehane III 6/7/2008



reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 02:09 PM by ArMaP
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I think the "tube" and the "screw" are the same object, only seen from different positions.

In the following animation I tried to show why I think it's the same object.


The smaller image is the "screw", the bigger the "tube". The image of the "screw" was rotated and resized, it was too big for a direct comparison.


reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 06:53 PM by ArMaP
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I don't know if they are going to take more photos or even a sample from under the lander, the first photo is from Sol 5 at 14:29:37 while the last photo from that area is from Sol 6 at 15:00:28, and it does not look like it had moved.



reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 10:00 AM by vze2xjjk
Yes ArMaP,I see that the other small bright rocks move along with the sweeping motion of the slight cam movements.It's an attention to detail I missed before. Here are some pics that should explain a lot,actually one stand-out pic among the sol 13 group I believe that I have highlighted 4 times to show why there are fuzzy vague impressions that just look like stars or interference,photo mistakes,bright spots glimmering,non-real radio interference,scattered lights,photo mistakes. What's really happening is that the distant focus sees right past these creatures in most of the other pics,but the focusing is"confused" or in the middle of an adjustment,so fooled by MOVEMENT right in front of the focusing beam,as if you moved your hand in front of your video camera and got some blurring as it tried to recover and re-focus. The lens makes a few stops along the way to getting back to focus.you can feel the adjustments by vibration in your hand as the cam motor quickly adapts. Your cam makes starting and stopping noises. The "Noisiness " of the photo is by chance,because the other ones of the same horizon showing dark or darker sky are fairly blank of "LIVE ANIMAL" interference. All the faces are facing Phoenix with intense curiousity,just like at Spirit,Opportunity,Pathfinder,2 Viking sites pics. The cover-up of LIFE on MARS continues.
The patterns of consecutive dots are not just random sequences.There are faces there staring at Phoenix.They are very much alive and aware of a stranger in their midst that does not walk away.
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