Salyut 6 UFO Sighting..interesting indeed

Semi new here..long time reader, dont post alot..I was reading another thread that mentioned this and had never heard it before..Thought it was worth having its own thread in case others have not seen or heard of this incident before..I believe this is an incident worth researching more considering the ppl which were involved...Here is some information regaurding the incident, maybe we can find more en.wikipedia.org...
Good day
Skept!cal


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www.ufoevidence.org... heres more info i could find...ill keep posting as i find more

Ive tried looking for the video they took but so far no luck. Has anyone else been able to find any video recordings of this event?

now my understanding from reading the info which i have is that this took place in 1981, but i just found another article that says something about 1979? So is there 2 different sightings from Salyut 6? heres the article if someone knows and could share a lil info that would be great

Cosmonaut Victor Afanasyev
"It followed us during half of our orbit. We observed it on the light side, and when we entered the shadow side, it disappeared completely. It was an engineered structure, made from some type of metal, approximately 40 meters long with inner hulls. The object was narrow here and wider here, and inside there were openings. Some places had projections like small wings. The object stayed very close to us. We photographed it, and our photos showed it to be 23 to 28 meters away."
Afanasyev commenting on a UFO sighting that occurred while en route to the Solyut 6 space station in April of 1979.

Searched pretty extensively and couldnt find video, but if we could find video that would be AWESOME! ill keep the hunt alive, if we could just get more on board maybe we could come up w/ some juicy stuff

Good Day
Skept!cal

So far a decent amount of views w/ minimal posts...come on ATS there is bound to be some of you that have heard, or are severly interested in this subject...I mean this is hightly credible at least in my eyes..These are trained Cosmonauts, i think they know what there talking about...As Johnny Five said " NEED MORE INPUT".

Good day
Skept!cal

wow really thought this would generate alot more interest

Its still pretty early here on the west coast and you and I are probably the only ones either awake or not at work

interesting, it will be nice to see the video ...

Whilst looking for the video/images came across this article about it:

May 14, 1981; in space, from onboard the Soyuz T-4 spacecraft

Cosmonauts Savinikh and Kovlenok observed a strange object from their space station. At first the object was 1/2 mile away but it eventually approached to a distance to 300 feet. Inside the cosmonauts saw three brown skin beings with slanted bright blue eyes. straight noses and bushy eyebrows. At a distance of 100 feet, the witnesses thought that the beings resembled mechanical robots. The beings facial expressions remained quite emotionless. The beings onboard the object requested close contact with the Soviet craft but this request was denied. Their craft shifted around erratically and from time to time it would vanish, but then reappear in an instant. Their craft seemed to be metallic, but it had no doors no solar batteries, no optical systems, no antennae and no marks or writing of any kind, it was spherical with eight windows and 16 other strange transparent illuminated spheres arranged throughout the hull. The cosmonauts also noticed quite normal looking armchairs, some devices, and walls inside the craft. Using a pair of powerful binoculars the cosmonauts saw the beings showing them what appeared to have been a star map. (HC addition # 3252, Source: Paul Stonehill, The Soviet UFO Files)

Source

Seems they saw more than just the shape

/rich

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to the OP.... well done sir, i've never come across this before and i'm working hard on finding anything i can add.

mmmm a video would be amazing to be honest but how the f**k would you sneak that video anywhere when you've been telling mission control exactly what you've been doing? i imagine it was the firs thing they asked for. not really chance to make a copy in 1981. i don't even think the sony walkman was out then!!!

I supose some credentials of people involved wouldn't do any harm

en.wikipedia.org...
www.astronautix.com...
Georgi Timofeyevich Beregovoi

en.wikipedia.org...
www.uwgb.edu...
Viktor Petrovich Savinykh

I have to admit i like this quote from this source english.pravda.ru... "When on Earth, Kovalenok learned specialists had registered considerable radiation emission the day the astronaut saw the object. “I do not believe it when astronauts say they have never seen anything extraordinary in space,” concluded Kovalenok." see source above for full article.

now, i don't know what this is and maybe someone might want to look into it but it does state at the end that the details are still under lock and key.

translate.google.com...://www.foren4all.de/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1265&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/searc h%3Fq%3DSavinykh%2Bufo%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

i hope all this comes out ok and the links are sound.

i'm gonna keep my eye on this one. flagged and all the other stuff.

remirah

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Very interesting thread. I'm in!

Here's the wiki snip from skept!kal It is the part about the contact of the astronauts with the aliens:

As the beings seemed to be friendly, the cosmonauts requested permission from Earth to try some visual and physical contact. The first was cleared, but the second was denied. So, Kovalyonok grabbed and opened a map of the universe to the beings. They answered and opened theirs, which was much more precise and complete. They pointed to the Solar System inside the Milky Way. Kovalyonok then made a positive sign with his hand. The being answered with the same gesture, and then the space ship went away very fast, but soon it was back. They repeated the action six times in all, with no clear reason.

Using a powerful flashlight, Kovalyonok tried to communicate via Morse code, by signalling: “Soviet cosmonauts salute Earth visitors.” in Russian. The beings didn’t understand, so Kovalyonok tried to signal “Are you receiving us?” in English, but again there was no answer. He tried to use zero and one language. He signalled 101101 with the flashlight. The message was not a simple answer to Kovalyonok’s words, but a Logarithm to the base used by him.

The next day, the beings were flying outside the ship. The cosmonauts requested permission to disembark, but it was denied. On the fourth day, the ship disappeared.

I will try to analyze it as much as I can:

It seems there were some kind of androids, artificial life forms with a basic level of intelligence.
(according to this wiki) notice how they didn't initiate contact, remained with a neutral posture, presented no feelings (no facial expressions, special arm gestures) and had not displayed any creativeness in the signaling dialog initiated by the astronauts, but displayed recognition abilities when shown a star map they pointed in their probably similar map (more details about this map is not presented in the wiki) to where the star system they were visiting were inside the Milky way Galaxy (our system)
In response to theOK hand gesture (arm and finger gesture probably, was it a thumbs up signal?) they responded by copying the gesture (but still we don't have any details on more aspects of their physiology like how many fingers they displayed having on their hands,so we must assume a physiology capable of supporting 4 to 5 fingers ,1 being an index finger) and darted away in their vehicle (an action that would imply they were going to board a larger vehicle to get necessary items to help them establish a more comprehensive dialog with the Russian astronauts since this was still a primitive, point directions and show items kind of dialogue) then they arrived (probably repeated the gesture again? It is not made clear in the wiki) and darted of again, repeating this part of the "dialog" (probably according to them) 6 more times. This sensles repeating of the last fase of the communicational "dialog" of that day shows that something screwed with their code of behavior, or understanding, or processing of appropriate actions to extend this dialog to a more meaningful interaction.

Now the aliens are again stationed beside the space station and simply await the astronauts to initiate a different set of dialog or advance the already present.
Next the Russian astronauts tried to signal in Morse code trying different subjects at every attempt but this didn't evoke any response from the aliens.
Until now we have a total failure of communication except the part where a map is shown from the cosmonauts and the aliens seem to possess a similar map. So they understood the part of the communication only about something that they already possessed in their inventory.

There is a part of the wiki pertaining to the communication:

The message was not a simple answer to Kovalyonok’s words, but a Logarithm to the base used by him.

with the Morse code that is not clear as to what it is referred to. Did the aliens send a message back (to the Russian base?) or to the cosmonauts (using a base of a logarithm used in this conversation?)

Their inability to advance this communication to a better level probably has signaled their behavioral program to end this days dialog and make another contact the next day.

Next day they are seen floating around the station in an attempt to enter the cosmonauts habitat or meet the cosmonauts in a space walk in their effort to be show more things probably so they can extend their communication. Physical contact is denied by the directory of the Russian mission so there it ends the contact between humans and aliens. Those aliens were never seen again.

Description of their vehicle:

The object seemed to be half the size of the Salyut 6 (about 8 meters). For the rest of the day, the UFO remained at that position. In the next cosmic day, it was only 100 meters away. Now that it was closer, the cosmonauts observed it more carefully: There was no sight of a propulsor or anything similar which could have given the ship an impulse to get closer. The ship had 24 windows, divided between three levels

It appears to be a small craft that IMO must have been stationed inside something bigger. Unless those aliens or androids were completely self reliant on electric/propulsion and computational power to visit many places of (at least) this galaxy at limited time.
It is my opinion that if other civilizations exist must probably function as we are at least in some concepts, so we might expect that there should be unsafe territory for a race of beings somewhere. This craft seemed a bit small to protect itself from various technological dangers they might were introduced in (at least by accident).
Small craft and not complicated enough to support missions with contacts of other unknown species. So there had to be a carrier or mothership for it.

Their appearance:

They could see also three humanoid creatures. The creatures were wearing helmets, but it was still possible to see their faces: Big eyebrows, straight noses, and big blue eyes, which didn’t express any emotion. According to the cosmonauts, none of the muscles on the face was moving. All movements from the beings seemed normal, although mechanical and artificial.

Here is the link to the wiki scaner to scan this wiki page to see any edit history: (I found none!)

Soyuz 6 encounter Wiki: en.wikipedia.org...

wiki scanner: www.wikiscanner.virgil.gr...

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Remirah please make a small link to your post

Make a small link: www.smalllinks.com...

Very interesting story!
I bet we get limited replies because this is an "american mostly" frequented forum and there has to be some kind of jealousy as this encounter was initiated with a mission which was part of the Russian space program.
Lets hope people overcome these "little problems" (I don't know maybe their huge) and post some insights about that sighting!

I also want this video if it is somewhere in the public which I believe must be since that mission encounter was not kept secret in the then USSR.
(something Americans should learn to do also)

Stared OP and flagged thread!
Peace!

P.S. I am familiar with the descriptions of that particular race of beings (presented aliens in the Soyuz 6 case) it is from magazines with special interest in the UFO phenomenon describing the Soyuz 6 encounter, I thing (might be mistaken) someone else used that specific type of race to describe some UFO sighting (real or hoax) but I am not really sure.

Could UFO hunters make an episode out of this case, a little travel to Russia maybe? I would be delighted!

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Amazing find!!

This is the first I have heard of this story, how exciting! Thanks all for gathering more information on it.

Going to have reread it all, my jaw dropped during the first reading!

UGHHHH I am so angry about the part where they wanted to initiate further contact and were denied permission! I think I would have said, too bad, we're going to do it anyway!! A chance of a lifetime and they followed orders

Starred and flagged

Now let's find that video!!!

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Anyone speak Russian? Found this clip that seems to be talking about this very incident, with a drawing, but it's all in Russian.

www.youtube.com...

The video quality is terrible but from the picture I think this is the incident they are talking about...if only we spoke Russian!


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Only video I found about Soyuz 6 + ufo is this one but is only lens artifacts displayed at the receiving camera during a Soyuz orbital vehicle fly by.

www.youtube.com...
(my video irrelevant with Soyuz UFO)

Great find LateApexer313

It is in German!
It is a German documentary about Russian space missions and UFOs.
Unfortunately I don't know any German at all.
I hope someone else does and translates us the video.

www.youtube.com...
(LateApexer313's video relevant with Soyuz sighting)

Very nice equipment displayed in those sketches!
If those are indeed alien it could prove that similar design concepts can exist between different worlds! Very futuristic and aerodynamic.




Very hard to discern whats could be real and whats not nowadays through all that IMO intentional junk they throw to us. I mean all UFOs should be round or saucer like and all aliens must look like grays.

On the other hand anything with such a design and deploying a luminous field while inside an atmosphere, would resemble either a cigar type object or just any shape its EM field has taken.

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If this is what that cosmonaut saw then we should notice the design that follows similar principals with Burt Rutan SpaceshipOne
en.wikipedia.org...
the project that won the X-Prize for producing the most efficient and cheap orbiter known to date!

Round windows in front to withstand pressure and heat and smaller and square in the back as someone would expect from a futuristic recreational spaceborn vehicle with re-entry capability.
Bulky middle air body as it would make sense since, this is the part of a vehicle of such aerodynamic design and that would need much reinforcing in the place that would take the most heat and stress while re-entering an atmosphere. It is not the nose that takes the better of heat, it is often the middle in re-entry vehicles.
Maybe it relays on plasma shields as it can be expected by an more advanced civilization and since we too theorize about advanced futuristic projects having some sort of EM protection, we would observe this design and theorize that a plasma shield should work effectively on aerodynamic designs if design protocols of a re-entry vehicle should apply.

But I don't want to make too much of this as it might not be the initial video of the encounter from Soyuz 6 we are expecting.

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Now if this is truly alien and not some Skunk works then it shouldn't be there unless it cam from the future

Scaled Composites the company built the SpaceshipOne headed by Burt Rutan was first established in 1982 and had probably no plans yet for a similar design philosophy as of its later achievements.
Here's a brief history from wiki:
en.wikipedia.org...

Scaled Composites was established in 1982 and purchased by the Beech Aircraft Corporation in 1985, as a result of the collaboration on the Starship project. In 1988, Beech's parent company, Raytheon, sold Scaled back to Rutan, who then sold it to Wyman-Gordon. After Wyman-Gordon was acquired by Castparts, Inc., Rutan and ten investors re-acquired the company as Scaled Composites, LLC. Northrop Grumman, a major shareholder in the company with a 40% stake, said it would acquire the company outright on July 20, 2007. Both companies said Northrop Grumman's acquisition would not affect Scaled Composites' strategy or involve replacing Burt Rutan as senior manager.[1][2] The acquisition by Northrop Grumman was completed on August 24, 2007.[3]

It requires too much time to research and test such a thing and this implies that if it was of an earthly origin it should have been at least 10 years back in 1971 as a concept, since Russians first saw this at 1979 1981.

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Maybe this helps???

rutube.ru...

It's all in Russian. Now you understand how I feel since I am deaf lol.

[Edit] Blah, this is a looong video. It talks about many sightings and shows videos and pictures of UFOs. Sorry about that but it's very interesting to watch.

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Ok all, concerning the video I found on youtube, that SpaceBot reposted...I found a translation on the comments on the actual youtube comments page under the video and just got it confirmed in ATS chat by a German speaking member named frozen_snowman, here's the translation of what they are saying in the video:

"they said, it was about 40meters long, made of metal, had some openings, and some kind of wings. it flew near the russian spaceship, about 20 or 30meters distance. the pilot told the control station anbout the ufo. after return to earth, he made a report, and he was told to dont tell anybody of what happened. the video and the radio traffic was never released. only after the collapse of the udssr, the pilot has the feeling, to tell the story unpunished. its always still classified as an ufo."

I didn't edit it for grammatical and spelling errors.

The video would be the smoking gun, if there is one, which is why it won't ever be released probably.

Kovalyonok took a camera and filmed the object for 45 minutes

It's frustrating to see this in the article but there is absolutely no mention of a video anywhere else...I've seen sketches and discriptions but no video to speak of. I imagine the footage, if there is any, is pretty awful but it would be better than a pencil drawing.

Unfortunately the majority of the world would wet itself if proof of aliens was given...so we all must be protected from the truth.