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Salyut 6 UFO Sighting..interesting indeed

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posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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Here is the article in Potuguese which wiki points to, I have run it through Babel so the translation is a little quirky, although I have seen worst.

This article quotes yet another source namely Manchete Magazine as yet I cannot find this original source.


In a meeting convoked for the GOSPLAN (Ministry of Planning of the former-Ussr), cosmonauts had declared that they had passed for strange experiences on board the Salyut-6 station.

Artistic representation of the presumption meeting of the Salyut-6

In day 24 of September of 1984, the Manchete Magazine brought with prominence in its pages an impressive notice.

In day 18 of June of 1981, the Gosplan (Ministry of the Planning of the former-Ussr) convoked an extraordinary meeting. In the occasion they were ufólogos diverse gifts, Soviet cosmonauts and authorities, also military. Its moderator was the proper head of the Soviet space program, General Georgi Timofeevict Beregovoy. To its side it was Vladimir Kovalyonok, the cosmonaut who, in company of Viktor Savinikh, remains 77 days in the space, on board the Salyut-6 station, in 1981.

In the meeting, the cosmonauts would have declared that the Salyut-6 made contact with a ship of unknown origin during 4 days (with interruptions) that it gravitated together with it, to a distance of 400 km of our planet. The event would have involved the unknown astronauts, Kovalyonok and Savinikh, and three beings on board the mysterious vehicle that had the form of a sphere and only the half of the size of the Salyut-6, of 16 meters of length.

according to description of the cosmonauts, the vehicle also did not present salience as solar panels, of which espaçonaves normal costumam to extract energy. The two ships had met in 14 of May of 1981, almost in the end of the drawn out sojourn of the two Russian astronauts.

In the meeting, after one soon introduction of general Beregovoy, all would have seen an impressive film, a document made for Soviet cosmonauts during the period where the two ships had kept contact. The film was twirled through one of the doors of the Salyut-6. The unknown ship, to the times, appears to a distance of only 40m.

It counts the news article that the two astronauts were working in its scientific experiences, after 75 days of permanence in cosmo, when Kovalyonok observed a spherical object, appearing suddenly to a 1,000 distance of more or less m, and alerted Savinikh. They had been some time observing through two separate doors. Kovalyonok apanhou a chamber and twirled the first fotogramas of that it finished if becoming one it has filmed of 45 minutes. It did not have the lesser reasonable explanation for what he was happening. With the aid of binoculars he perceived doors in the other ship.

During first the 24 hours, that is, all day 14 of May of 1981, the mysterious object remained in stationary position in front of the Salyut-6, without demonstrating life signals. Suddenly, when waking up, in the following cosmic day, the two astronauts turn the ship not identified more than close, to less than 100 meters of distance.

according to cosmonauts, the identified ship if does not move without using spurts, impulses or any other visible resources. Exactly of close, it did not denote no slip in its soft surface, uniform, silverplated. The astronauts had identified a series of windows, 24 to all, in three levels, and, three heads of appearance human being behind, respectively, of three doors.

For the windows, they had been able to observe beings that used light helmets, similar to pressed pointed hoods, having, thus, the faces partially covered. But three fourth parts of the faces were visible through transparent viewfinders. They had sobrancelhas long, thick and straight noses. But what more it impressed the cosmonauts had been the eyes - enormous, blue, two bigger times that of the human beings - fixed, without showing the lesser signal of emotion. No muscle if moved in its faces.

Later, in the same day, and during the following day, as the beings if showed games, made use to enter in communication, Kovalyonok would have asked for authorization to the Land to establish more immediate contact. It received permission to try to change visual messages, but asking on the possibility of a physical contact, the control of the mission answered with a NYET.

The cosmonauts were if feeling perfectly to the will before the very human behavior of the strangers, whose ship moved frequently of position, without difficulty. In an occasion he arrived to distar 30 meters of the Soviet station. The astronauts could not only see the strangers, but also observe its movements, that seemed human, rigid, mechanical and even so very artificial.

The cosmonauts, then, would have opened a great next celestial map to the door. The letter showed our solar system in the center. Kovalyonok if admired when one of the beings pulled its proper map. Kovalyonok saw the solar system in a side. It did not remain doubts that they were equipped with the maps of navigation of absolute exactness and pointed with respect to the part of our Galaxy with all the precision. Kovalyonok made a signal, putting the finger thumb for top, e,o strange to be, without smiling, made the same thing. After that, the ship of them if moved away to a very high speed. In the following orbit, it was in return. It moved away six times, to all, never for an apparent reason.

Using a powerful lantern, Kovalyonok would have attemped if to communicate, first in Russian, through Morse Code, signaling: "Soviet Cosmonauts saúdam visiting to the Land". The strange beings had not understood. It tried then a message in English: "It ploughs you receiving US", also in Morse. No reply. Then it tried a mathematical figure, using a brief light for ZERO and a long one for ONE, and signaled number 101101. Soon later lode a blinking in reply. The message was not only mere repetition of the cipher of Kovalyonok and was deciphered with being logarithms of the used base for Kovalyonok.

In the following day, the beings would have left the ship and walked by the space. They had more or less two meters of height and used the same clothes. The cosmonauts then would have asked for permission also to leave, what she was denied to them. In the room day the ship disappeared.

For some reason, according to story reproduced for the Magazine Manchete, Kovalyonok and Savinikh if had accustomed to those strange, quiet and antiemotivos beings.

Despite the importance that an event of these would have, come true the confirmed public and if, much little it reverberated the bombástica news article of the Manchete Magazine. Not even the proper one made much ostentation after this, what it contributed to have total left the episode -- and until if an eventual inquiry would have been taken the handle for discloses it -- in the obscurantismo...



This in case that it were removed of a news article published in the Manchete Magazine of 24 of September of 1984, with adaptations of the Writing of the Magazine Vigil.




posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 08:34 AM
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This version has slightly more detail/embelishments but clearly must have come from the same story.


The following article, translated from its original Portuguese, is
reprinted with permission from the Sept/Oct, 1985 issue of Brazil's
UFOLOGIA, possibly the largest-circulated UFO magazine in the world with
30,000 circulation. Translator Catherine Solange is now working on
another UFOLOGIA story, also by Luis Gonzaga, which attempts to explain
a theory of extraterrestrial classification based on spiritual
hierarchies.

SOVIETS RELEASE INFORMATION ABOUT E.T.-ASTRONAUT CONTACT ON SALYUT
MISSION. By: Luis Gonzaga Sortecci de Paula

UFO crew members appeared in space and interacted extensively
with the three Solviet cosmonauts who linked up with Salyut 6 in early
1981. Surprisingly, the U.S.S.R. has elected to release some ot the
information on the history-making encounter.

During their Salyut 6 msiiion that began in March and ended in
late May, 1981, Soviet cosmonauts Vladimir Kivalyonok and Viktor
Savinikh maintained extraordinary contact with three human
interplanetary aliens. For an extended period of time, the cosmonauts
watched as these aliens operated an extremely advanced, circular
spaceship ringed with portholes.

Public awareness of this event was held back until 1984, when
the September 24 issue of `Manchete' was published. Displayed on that
issue's cover was the face of international model Jushiu Manegal, In a
relatively minor position on the inside left-hand corner of the cover we
read the sensational words: "Russians Encounter UFO's".

For approximately four days, with periodic interruptions, the
Salyut 6 and the round UFO orbited 400 kilometers above Earth. The crews
interfaced to approximately 30 meters of distance between their two
craft.

Shaped like a ball, the alien ship measured an estimated 9 to 10
meters in diameter. The circumference of the UFO was ringed with eight
symmetrical portholes, or windows. Sixteen additional transparent areas,
eight above and eight below the UFO's center area, were lit up in a way
that sugeested some automatedform of lighting.

By this interior light, the cosmonauts were able to observe a
relatively conventional-looking cabin space within the craft, exhibiting
control panels, chairs, retaining walls and other equipment and
structures. The surface sheen of the craft looked metallic. No obivous
points of entry and exit were seen, and the Soviets also noted a
remarkable absence of assumed necesities on the ship's
exterior-identifying marks, antennae, optical systems terminals, solar
panels and the like.

The encounter was initiated on May 14, when through his
porthole, cosmonaut Kovalyonok spotted the round object in front of the
Salyut 6 from about 1,000 meters distance. He had made out the ship's
portholes with long-distance binoculars.

The following day, the cosmonauts were surprised to see that the
UFO had moved in much closer, within 100 meters of the Salyut. Since
their unterstanding of propulsion systems was limited to the disposable
resources of Earth's rocket technology, the cosmonauts were perplexed
that the UFO could produce such a vast alteration of its orbit: If
rockets were used for propulsion, escape hatches for attendant fuel
emissions were noticably lacking on the aliens' stark craft!

Positioned by the portholes were three beings of human aspect
clearly making various gestures. They were of a solemn and serene
countenance, reminiscent of devout Hindus, with straight noses and thick
eyebrows visible above their enormous, slanted blue eyes. They looked
out at the cosmonauts with a deep and penetrating gaze, yet displayed no
emotional qualities in terms of our understanding of emotions.

At one point, the cosmonauts asked their Soviet base of command
for permission to make contact with these unknown voyagers. The
immediate response that got back was a decisive and definite, "no," that
the only manner of contact they could utilize must be instrumental.

Little by little, the alien ship was getting closer to the
Salyut, and at an unimaginable velocity. Ti would appear and disappear
at various angles. For frations of a second, it would disappear behind
the Earth and then reappear in a new relative position, stopping
abruptly with no apparent effect on the crew members. In one of its
reappearances, the alien ship stopped within 30 meters of the Salyut.

On impulse, cosmonaut Kovalyonok opened a celestial map and took
it to the window. To his amazement, he noticed that two of the aliens
did exactly the same thing, opening a map so that Kovalyonok could
clearly perceive out solar system in the upper right-hand corner, along
with many other celestial bodies not identified during the brief time
the map was glimped.

Without knowing exactly how to proceed , the Soviet cosmonauts
waved and offered a "thumbs up" gesture of fraternity-and they returned
it. Tentative communication was achieved by instruments, but did't
evolve to the level desired.

Using a high-potency light source, the Soviet cosmonauts used
Morse Code to welcome the visitors in Russian. There was no reaction
from the aliens. The Soviets tried English: "Are you reading us?" again,
no reaction. On the third try, still in Morse Code, the cosmonauts
tranmitted a binary number: 101101, which expressed a certain geometric
figure. The aliens responded with another sequence of numbers, not the
same as theirs. Later the cosmonauts verified that the aliens had
transmitted the value of the letter "E," based on a logarithmic
configuration applied frequently by the computers on Salyut 6, when
programmed to graphically linearize the relative curves of a complex
mathematical function.

Dressed in the same spacesuits they were wearing on board, which
looked like diving suits with visors, the aliens left their ship and
floated in space. They made strange movements, as if they were sitting
in chairs. They wore no knapsacks of any other kind of apparatus that
normally would be used to maintain life as it's known on Earth.

At the end of the fourth day, the aliens went away and didn't
reappear. It left the cosmonauts with a strange feeling of homesickness,
in the words of one ot the Russian crew.

Members of Russia's military and scientific communities met with
the cosmonauts on June 18, 1981, to view photographs and film footage
taken on the mission. Cosmonaut Kovalyonok was bombarded with questions
and responded to them all. Later he was silenced under the restrictive
label, "top secret," until, for reasons still not clearly explicated, he
was offically allowed to go public by determination of the Kremlin.

Footnote: Author Gonzaga lives in Brazil's capital, Brasilia, where he's
spearheading a community project to facilitate contact and
communication between Earthlings and extraterrestrials.


beyond-the-illusion.com...



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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where are the links sherpa, maybe i can help try and peice things together w/ you



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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whoops nvm...hahaha i see them now



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:42 AM
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okay gonna start a new phase to this...since its getting hard to corrobarate the story w/ other sources id say its pretty important to actually research the acutal ppl that are claiming this to be true just wiki'd Vladimir Kovalyonok and could come up w/ much info other than his retirement dates and missions he has flown, which i must say are kind of impressive..Doesnt come off as the crazy commander that would just come up w/ a fantastic story like this here is Vladimir's info on wiki...going to start researching the other person Viktor Savinkh now..ill be back w/ more info on him...heres info on Vladimir en.wikipedia.org...

Good Day
Skept!cal



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:44 AM
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Interesting story Sherpa. Can't say I've read about that one before.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 09:45 AM
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heres Viktor Savinkh's info on wiki...and WOW i must say these arent nobodys that just flew a couple non sense missions for Russia..These gentlemen were heavily decorated cosmonauts that were the core of their space program...Says Viktor was awarded the Russian Hero medal...Thats usually not the kind of medal looney tunes get...here is his info en.wikipedia.org...

Good Day
Skept!cal



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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I don't have any cause to deny the cosmonauts credentials, it is the story printed in Manchete that seems to be the problem.

Unfortunately Manchete is not published anymore and I can't find any archives on the net for it.

One vague hope would be if someone had a copy of the 24 September 1984 issue up for sale on ebay or something where generally the front cover is displayed.

Apparently it had a picture of a model called Jushiu Manegal on it but searching on that name brought up zilch, whoever they were they did not seem to have a lasting impact.

Of course even finding the original article in Manchete does not make it true without support from another reliable source.

Right now it looks as if the original story was taken and spun for the sake of a sensationalism.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 10:18 AM
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seem to be dead in the tracks right now...ive been searching like crazy myself and cant find anything...I guess one question would be are these Cosmonauts still alive today? And if they are how can we get in contact w/ them? Now that would answer alot of the good questions...Cause if we could verify from the horse's mouth so-to-speak that they did in fact see what they did and experience what they are said to of experienced then i would be sold right their...Just based on the credentials of these men...Didnt say on Wiki or anywhere else that these men were deceased so ill try and see if their is a way to contact these gentlemen

Good Day
Skept!cal



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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Another variation here again translated by babel, the text below seems to be the different part.


All this was discussed at a meeting of the Ministry of Planning of the USSR on June 18, 1981, chaired by General Georgi Beregovoi, head of the space programme.
It was also shown the film obtained by cosmonauts, and the present meeting, said that the film is very well stored underground in the city of stars.
Beregovoi always refused to comment on the matter, but it is said that he hoped new contacts.
There are no confirmed suspicions of another encounter with a similar ship, this time by the Salyut 7.


Original article before translation



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 11:07 AM
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Cause if we could verify from the horse's mouth so-to-speak that they did in fact see what they did and experience what they are said to of experienced then i would be sold right their...Just based on the credentials of these men...Didnt say on Wiki or anywhere else that these men were deceased so ill try and see if their is a way to contact these gentlemen


Brave words, I don't think I have heard of anyone trying to contact an ex Russian Cosmonaut before.

I can tell you one thing though General Georgi Beregovoi, head of the space programme, is no longer with us he died of natural causes in 1995.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 11:17 AM
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nahh nothing to worry bout...They are ppl just like me and you...The Russians are great ppl, and i have plenty of their blood running through my veins...I would email or try and contact for sure if i had the info...Besides its just like asking Buzz Aldrin about his sighting experience


Good Day
Skept!cal



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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Do you speak russian ?

Just for reference you understand.



posted on Apr, 8 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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no no no...im american, just have ancestors that were from Russia...You know america ONE BIG HUGE MELTING POT
haha



posted on Apr, 9 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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Using a high-potency light source, the Soviet cosmonauts used
Morse Code to welcome the visitors in Russian. There was no reaction
from the aliens. The Soviets tried English: "Are you reading us?" again,
no reaction. On the third try, still in Morse Code, the cosmonauts
tranmitted a binary number: 101101, which expressed a certain geometric
figure. The aliens responded with another sequence of numbers, not the
same as theirs. Later the cosmonauts verified that the aliens had
transmitted the value of the letter "E," based on a logarithmic
configuration applied frequently by the computers on Salyut 6, when
programmed to graphically linearize the relative curves of a complex
mathematical function.


Boy!
This story does get stranger and more interesting as the search continues!
Absolutely amazing find!

I wish I could give you applause sherpa! (I won't forget the star, spend 1 today already, but you got 1 coming to you!)

We can name them the E species then!


Let me explain my thoughts people:

We have (according to my search) 2 sightings of a similar type of craft.
The shape of it is peculiar and (at least to me) not familiar with other sightings anywhere but I may be mistaken.

Here is the American sighting! (the shape makes a very good candidate of it being the strange thing filmed during the Apollo mission leg where they were launching to the moon)

American (Apollo 11)

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direct:
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Here is the description of the Russian sighting!

Russian (Salyut 6, Vladimir Kovalyonok taped and later went to the news with his story)

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direct
img232.imageshack.us...

Both times this UFO was taped!
1st by Buzz Aldrin in 1969 and 2nd from Vladimir Kovalyonok in 1981.
The American footage has been made public, but the Russian footage is still lost somewhere in Russian space missions archives.

The second time we have a description of the beings piloting this craft (Russian) but in the first (American) we get to only know about the craft (unless the US has not disclosed full data about this sighting yet)
Their description is too like their craft peculiar, they don't resemble anything (at least to me) any other witness with a case of a third kind ever described until now.

The beings making contact with the Russians identified themselves with the logarithmic value of the letter E.

I tried to search for the meaning of this, to find clues about anything relevant but I find nothing really relevant except this:

Since the first account we might have from them was from the US Apollo space program the only connection someone would possibly draw comes from a guy that has been dead since 120 AD and that is Plutarch.

So here is "Plutarch, On the E at Delphi"

It is about the meaning of a symbol (letter) displayed in prominent position inside the Delphic oracle, a place where if it never existed probably the human history would be totally different.

Might seem far fetched?
Indeed very! But at least here is a solution with E+Apollo in the same equation!
E identification the beings showed to humans
Apollo the name of the space program the alien craft (probably) tried to make at least a brief contact.
I just thought what a guy like Plutarch would think if hypothetically speaking people at that era had the technology and were found at the circumstances of witnessing such an extraordinary event like this described in this thread and would identify themselves with anything resembling the E letter, or number 5(equivalent) for that matter.
Still we need more data from the descriptions of the Russian astronauts, someone needs to come public and give us the whole detailed thing. Why not?

Don't have time for more right now I have to say good night to everybody!


[edit on 9-4-2008 by spacebot]



posted on Apr, 10 2008 @ 07:59 AM
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so your saying the Apollo 11 mission's sighting had an almost identical sighting?...I mean as far as craft goes...If thats the case then WOW coincidence i dont know...Great digging Star for you
...Keep up the good work...This is getting more interesting

Good Day
Skept!cal



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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Thank you for the star and... Yes, this is pretty much what I believe!


I am trying to buy some time (terribly busy) for a CGI presentation of the Apollo 11 alien craft* that was filmed and another presentation of the Salyut 6 sighting, from Kovalyonok.

The smoking gun for me was not really the bell shape of both crafts witnessed in the Apollo 11 and Salyut 6 sightings, but the protrusion coming out of the bell structure, which is almost clear in the Apollo 11 video and very identical as a shape in the Russian video (thumbnail stills from both videos)

It is a very unique shape, nothing like I saw in any UFO related video or any type of other blurry objects being filmed in space.

To be continued...



Apollo 11 alien craft*:
I had already made a CGI model before 2 years but last time I checked I have lost this 3ds max file along with other projects.

[edit on 13-4-2008 by spacebot]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 09:30 PM
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Hi there,
Also been searching for the elusive footage. (no luck as yet!)

But I wonder if anyone knows how to contact this guy: Pavel Povovich.


He retired from the space programme in 1982. In 1984 Popovich joined the Academy of Sciences newly created All-Union Investigation Committee for Anomalous Aerial Phenomena and became head of the Academy's UFO Commission. Nowadays he is the president of UFO association of Russia and the chairman of Ukrainian diaspora organisation in Russia.
He is married to Marina Popovich, a retired Soviet Air Force colonel, engineer, and legendary Soviet test pilot who has been outspoken about UFO reality.

Source:

en.wikipedia.org...

He approached the KGB to make public their findings on ufo’s. As a prominent Russian cosmonaut he was given a folder by the KGB (known as the blue folder.)

english.pravda.ru...

I reckon if there was footage then he might the person to go after to get it!
Just my .2c
H



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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Nice!



He is married to Marina Popovich, a retired Soviet Air Force colonel, engineer, and legendary Soviet test pilot who has been outspoken about UFO reality. They have two daughters.


It seems it is even of a family importance matter for Pavel Popotich!
Who can contact?
A Russian space enthusiast frequenting russian space forums maybe?
But it would be better if it was someone inside Russia since Popovitch is from Ukrane and shares an organization position, since Ukraine and Russia are only recently started speaking about common things in a positive light.
Yet again Popovitch would do for the job since he seems highly motivated.
Anyway personaly I am clueless

I really hope some ATS stuff can help us out on this.



[edit on 13-4-2008 by spacebot]

oops!

The KGB blue folder from Pravda mentioned in your links, described in a thread on ATS!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 13-4-2008 by spacebot]



posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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I have sent an e-mail to Philip Mantle, author of the book Mysterious sky-Soviet union phenomenon. He also interviewed Nikolay Alekseyevich Sham
the KGB man who handed over the blue files to Pavel Popovich.

www.ufodigest.com...

for a transcript of the interview.

I naturally asked if he knew anything about the Salyut 6 footage, or if he could put us in touch with someone who could.

Cheers!
H



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