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posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 12:55 AM
the new black hole A permanent, electro magnetic, thermal conductive, nuclear driven, static electrical, gravitational magnetic filed, x ray, generator

use narrator it will make it easier

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my title for my theory on black holes

A permanent, electro magnetic, thermal conductive, nuclear driven, static electrical, gravitational magnetic filed, x ray, generator . a black hole that dose not conflict with physics

In this link it shows an electricity driven motor that operates a little bit differently than the average motor. There are magnets with a conductor on the outside of them rolling around another magnet in the center with a conductor on the outside surface. When electricity is applied, the outer magnets engage and start rolling. The conductor turns into an electro magnet and applies the force of a magnetic field [the direction is determined by witch way the electricity is flowing threw the motor +-or -+]. The field is making the outer objects attract to the inner object. Now lets say that the connecting surface in between the inner and outer objects has 10, 20, 100 or even 100,000,000,000,000 foot pounds of pressure in between, from the permanent magnet and the electro magnetic force applied.

An atom like a hydrogen atom has an exact pressure in which it will split and go nuclear. If the pressure in between
the two connecting surfaces reaches or exceeds this pressure the rollers will start smashing atoms .

Now the thermal conductive part. Lets take a stack of cd's
and write the mass, weight, density, conductivity, magnetically and any other properties that an element has.
Take the most magnetic, conductive, densest element and put it in the center , now on top and bottom of this first element put the rest of the elements going in both directions in order to their placement in density, mass, magnetically and conductivity. There will be non-conductive elements in between conductive elements. Once you got your stack of cd's in order, cut a bearing race on the outer surface and put the proper size ball for the race . So we have a mental picture or a model. The center cd will be the [+]electrical input to the motor and the top and bottom of the stack of cd's in the center is [-] electrical output. two [-] and one [+] .

So you take this model and apply the force of the magnetic, and electromagnetic force and the properties of the thermal conductive and static electrical conductivity.
When the outer magnets roll around the center magnet with enough applied force it will start smashing atoms, the out come of this is a huge burst of heat, emp, electricity and more which is fuel for the motor.

[edit on 5-4-2008 by Jbird]

posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 12:58 AM
how would one of these form

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A planet forms , a moon forms around a planet. [after big bang]
The planet slows down enough to let the moon pull in and attract to the planet and not be thrown out further in orbit

The motor will work off of mostly gravity at first and a small electrical magnetic assistance .

As it forms an outer ring of material around the motor in orbit [like Saturn's rings] the static electric charge starts and gets stronger.[movement of particles makes static electricity]

So this gos on for quit some time as the magnetic attraction starts to get stronger form in between the two masses .[the electro magnetic filed starts magnetizing the iron and other elements]

It starts the first stage of compacting the masses, the outer mass[roller] will be denser than the inner mass , because it makes more contact than the race does like a bearing.

Now this will go on for a wile until it reaches its first collapse in on it self [the braking point for elements at different pressure] right at the collapse it exhaust a huge amount of energy and it speeds up. [this will happen at various stages of the motor ,every time the motor collapses it gets stronger having more mass per square inch.

[edit on 5-4-2008 by Jbird]

posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 01:04 AM

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Earth mass (M⊕
is the unit of mass equal to one Earth. 1 M⊕ = 5.9736 × 1024 kg. Earth mass is used to describe masses of the rocky planets.

One Earth mass can be converted to related units:
81.3 Lunar mass (ML)
0.003 15 Jupiter mass (MJ)
0.000 003 003 Solar mass (M⊙

Inertial mass is the mass of an object measured by its resistance to acceleration.
where f is the force acting on the body and v is its velocity. For the moment, we will put aside the question of what "force acting on the body" actually means.

Now, suppose that the mass of the body in question is a constant.
known as the conservation of mass, and (ii) matter can never be created or destroyed, only split up or recombined. When the mass of a body is constant, Newton's second law becomes

where a denotes the acceleration of the body.

This equation illustrates how mass relates to the inertia of a body. Consider two objects with different masses. If we apply an identical force to each, the object with a bigger mass will experience a smaller acceleration, and the object with a smaller mass will experience a bigger acceleration. We might say that the larger mass exerts a greater "resistance" to changing its state of motion in response to the force.
However, this notion of applying "identical" forces to different objects brings us back to the fact that we have not really defined what a force is. We can sidestep this difficulty with the help of Newton's third law, which states that if one object exerts a force on a second object, it will experience an equal and opposite force. To be precise, suppose we have two objects A and B, with constant inertial masses mA and mB. We isolate the two objects from all other physical influences, so that the only forces present are the force exerted on A by B, which we denote fAB, and the force exerted on B by A, which we denote fBA. As we have seen, Newton's second law states that
where aA and aB are the accelerations of A and B respectively. Suppose that these accelerations are non-zero, so that the forces between the two objects are non-zero. This occurs, for example, if the two objects are in the process of colliding with one another. Newton's third law then states that

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posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 01:12 AM
Man, none of those links works for me, and I'm afraid it's a little to la-early for me to be trying the math you've posted.

posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 01:18 AM
Hiyah lo111,

I didn't understand what you were getting at, if that was your own opinion, whether or not you were quoting other sources, but....

If you fix your thread, I'd be happy to come back and read it, because I love black holes.

posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 02:07 AM

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posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 02:11 AM

[edit on 4-4-2008 by Jbird]

posted on Apr, 4 2008 @ 02:21 AM
The Black Hole discussion forum

the new black hole
I dont know whats up with pasting googles links . but if you go to this forum you can use the links off of that page ,I posted it in a couple forums.

[edit on 4-4-2008 by Jbird]

posted on Apr, 12 2008 @ 10:57 PM
lo111,
i'm not any sort of master physicist, however i don't think the mathematical equations and numbers are high enough to be used for any sort of high energy engine.
a. the strongest magnets in the world aren't strong enough to contain a nuclear or near nuclear explosion.
b. to make magnets powerful enough to contain something of high energy an electric charge has to be put into the magnet to increase it's capacity to repel high energy material or energy.
c. the level of energy required to sustain something close to an atomic explosion, or even mass moving at incredibly high speeds, is astounding. take the particle accelerators. granted they have no function of retaining energy but mathematical predictions of energy retained, once you've subtracted for the energy necessary to produce, would not yield a 'good enough' energy production ratio.

But it's good thinking, seems like a possible source of clean energy never-the-less.

posted on Apr, 13 2008 @ 07:39 AM
Thanks.

Ok lets start by going backwards: A black hole is a massive object in space something billion times bigger than the mass of our sun. The out side of the black hole, (out side of the event horizon) there is an inwards spiraling hurricane of-

#1. there is every different kind of gas and gases that it can pull in from its furthest reaches of space and from the separation + combination of the elements in there different stages getting closer to the event horizon.

#2.there is matter that is taking the same journey ass above getting torn up
into different sizes as it flows threw the black hole reaching the event horizon.

#3.There is a layering of different speeds from the out side of the black hole to the inside to the event horizon.

#4. There is a range of different temperatures, colder at the out side of the black hole and getting hotter going into the event horizon.

#5.There is a gravitational force that is weaker at the out side of the black hole and gets stronger towards the event horizon .

#6. There is x ray radiation that is emitted from the entire black hole and is one of the ways we can see them to day.

#7. There is large amount of static electricity created threw the entire black hole from the friction in between the different layers that are traveling at different speeds and the matter and gas that are in them going past each other and the other layers.

#8.There is electro magnetic radiation emitted threw space from a black hole
and get stronger the closer you get to it.

#9. When theres electricity and conductive + magnetic elements moving past each other you magnetize the material and start an electro magnetic filed.

#10. Electro magnetic fields produce X RAY radiation, witch the temperature
range to produce X RAY radiation is 1 million degrees kelvin.

NOW lets say.

#1.That theres a mass of material the circumference of the event horizon and this is a thick disk of material.

#2. The center of The thick disk is the center of the black hole.

#3.On the outer rim of this disk there is a groove and that groove is a bearing race. Traveling in the race is a number of giant ball bearings.

#4.This disk is a pile of elements in order to there mass, magnetic,conductive,and other property's . Centering in between the top and bottom of the disk is the heaviest and most conductive.

#5.If I took this disk and put heat in it, it would thermally create electricity,
considering most of the elements that survive going threw to the event horizon would be the heaver elements and most of them are conductive.

posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 06:19 PM
#6.The massive ball bearings rolling around the thick disk are spinning rather than rolling. In demonstration, like how the moon orbits around the earth.
The moon doesn't roll on a vertical pull with the planet it rolls on an horizontal pull with the planet.

#7.In this disk there will be two or three layers of super conductive elements , these layers will act as the leads to pass the electricity from the electrical input of the ball bearing and to the electrical out put of the ball bearing.

#8. If you take a permanent magnet that has a cover of conductive material that is round, Hang it from a nail and touch the other side of the nail to the negative side of a battery . Tape a wire to the positive side of the battery , take the other end of the wire and touch it to the side of the magnet. THE MAGNET WILL SPIN .

#9.The ball bearing and the explanation in #8 have the same property's and work on the same principles
because of the elements the are built off of .

#10.because of this off set rotation of the ball bearings there is high friction points in the race, these points are probably shared with the electrical contacts.

#11.These high friction points are the focus points for enough pressure, friction and transfer of electricity to smash and release the energy from the atoms.

#12.Instead of all the matter going into the black hole vanishing into thin air like all the other theory's.
This theory turns all the matter it pulls in into energy , from thermal,static,magnetic,atomic,kinetic,radio and more.

#13.This proses abides by the rules of psychics and does not need a septate form of understanding to explain its self.

#14.The hole machine is spinning at an incredible speed , while the balls are spinning at an unbelievable speed to .(to be determined when math is finalized)

#15.This thick disk may holed an north and south side of the disk and if this is correct .The balls will flip over half around the thick dick and then flip back . This affect may explain why we see a shift at the center of a galaxy with a black hole.

Now we have an electric,thermal conductive , nuclear ,permanent+electro magnetic,static electrical,gravitational motor that emits X RAY's and compacts elements + turns matter into energy to run its self.

Ill let this digest for a little bit. any questions

posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 07:16 PM
hrm, that is a little much to digest but i'll get to it.

i'll also ask a question: this device, does it require a black hole to function? or does the initial spin to get the energies running come from an external source of energy?

I'd also like the point out that the magnetic, thermo, nuclear, and so on, properties of this device would have to be in a complete equilibrium for such a device to function with out worry of failure. also, as the thing spins faster and faster more and more energy would be necessary to contain the equilibrium. I'll read your post in more detail and let you know what i come up with.

posted on Apr, 14 2008 @ 11:51 PM
You Said It

Originally posted by lo111
This proses abides by the rules of psychics and does not need a septate form of understanding to explain its self.

I think that one sentence explains it all.

posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 03:02 AM
thank you: for reference

I am referring to worm holes and a point of unity where matter disappears,where physics has to bend to explain. This is on the basic cues and effect system. In space the pattern as we see it is round balls of matter,stars,moons. moons orbit around planets,planets orbit suns,suns orbit in a soler system.

In this vast space where all most every thing orbits around something.
It is only cues and effect to say theres an opposite.
Where moon role on there planets instead of orbiting around them.
This actually should be a common occurrence in space.

posted on Apr, 15 2008 @ 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Crabmeat
hrm, that is a little much to digest but i'll get to it.

i'll also ask a question: this device, does it require a black hole to function? or does the initial spin to get the energies running come from an external source of energy?

I see this device to have a long slow at first life before it turns into a black hole.

Just fore example if our moon had the rite property's to attract to the planet and start rolling on the earth it would take a lot of time to compact the earth and place the elements in order to density,conductive,magnetic and so on.
It would take a lot of time to pull in enough material to be compacted,to make enough pressure+attraction between the two masses to smash atoms
before it starts smashing atoms it still works on most of the same principals.

1 gravity that gets stronger the denser it gets.
2 the magnetic filled attracts magnetic+conductive elements +iron
3 as the elements place them selves it starts conducting thermal electricity.
4 at this point the motion of the device is still assisted or cussed by the effect
of other masses in the affecting area suns,planets,soler system, black holes.
5 but still assisting its self with what energy it creates.
6 the more organized it gets the more efficient it becomes.

I'd also like the point out that the magnetic, thermo, nuclear, and so on, properties of this device would have to be in a complete equilibrium for such a device to function with out worry of failure. also, as the thing spins faster and faster more and more energy would be necessary to contain the equilibrium. I'll read your post in more detail and let you know what i come up with.

The way it builds its self and refines its self before smashing atoms is where the foundation of the equality is formed to sustain the next step.
(the amount of fuel going in to the black hole determines the speed for its size and strength)

ps the very top section of the post is the info section to answer questions on how thing work.

posted on Apr, 21 2008 @ 08:44 PM

posted on May, 28 2008 @ 03:48 AM
If you viewed the link above. The motor works by using permanent and electro magnetic forces to drive it. To put this example in the right size for what is being explained , take the center disk that the rollers are rolling around and make it the size of the circumference of the event horizon. We will change the rollers to ball shapes, and the balls will be traveling in a groove instead of a flat surface. Now where the atomic reaction comes from in the groove (race) is close to the edges. The balls are spinning in a elliptical rotation while spinning around the disk . The reason for this is that there is an north and south side of the disk and the ball. the ball is riding on one side of the race, making contact with one of the side surfaces casing drag and making the ball roll on the edge of the race.
In between the connecting surfaces is where we get enough force, friction, and
electrical transfer to smash the atoms. So we will get light from the outer rim of the disk shining out words and not from any where els on the disk. This will make it so no light will be going in the direction towards the disk and not to be shined on the disk. This effect cases an illusion, like if i stand behind a spot light , you will have a hard time seeing me in the shadow. This is why we cant see the center of the black hole.

posted on Jun, 2 2008 @ 04:34 PM
feed back is always welcome and needed.

posted on Aug, 22 2008 @ 01:01 AM
im working on a gas motor that works the same way but not nuclear a mock up. this motor works by running the fuel as lean as you can get it with out melt down. this is to show that the basics workings of this motor work

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