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Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
reply to post by jsobecky
I never used the word. Just pointed out its meaning .
Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
[Well at least if your gonna be a grammar Nazi . German is the best language to do it with.]
[edit on 28-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
reply to post by jsobecky
I never used the word. Just pointed out its meaning .
Dance dance dance. C'mon now, you were defending biggie smalls a few minutes ago. Now you're gonna tuck tail and play Judas?
Originally posted by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR
[Well at least if your gonna be a grammar Nazi . German is the best language to do it with.]
[Reply by jsobecky]
You started it with the (lack of) education remark. You got it thrown back in your face like a pie. Don't be a sore loser. Just go away.
Mercenary forces have been around since the beggining of massed warfare........From the Romans using barbarians to the Russians using the cossacks.
Doesn't matter one bit if it's a blatant falsehood or not, does it?
Blackwater is not the largest such firm, nor are they unique. There is a market for their services, and they provide those services. You call them mercenaries; they would call themselves private security firms.
one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service
Erik Prince, founder of the Blackwater mercenaries, has been a huge financial supporter of George W. Bush and the Republican Party. That might explain why Mister Bush's State Department worked with Prince's people to try and cover up the latest Blackwater slaughter of civilians in Iraq, and could be a big part of the reason why so many Republicans came to the chief mercenary's defense during Congressional hearings. His fondness for and belief in all things Republican probably answers too, Erik Prince's problem with honesty.
Blackwater's Mister Prince has a problem with people calling his mercenaries well ... err ... mercenaries. He appeared on CBS's "60 Minutes," a onetime news program-turned Blackwater infomercial, and said with a straight face, "You know the definition of a mercenary is a professional soldier that works in the pay of a foreign army. I’m an American working for America."
Nobody is denying Erik Prince's claim of being a United States citizen. But he wasn't being honest about his corporate mercenaries, nor was he being completely honest about the characteristics that define a mercenary. Mister Prince chose to emphasize only half of the mercenary equation. Still, even then, he was misleading.
Erik Prince's mercenaries make a great deal of money. They're paid much, much, much more than the average U.S. soldier. Though Prince chose to ignore it, a mercenary is also defined as someone who is, "motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain." Prince would probably insist that the people in his employ are motivated by a desire to serve the United States' interests, which he would further argue is Blackwater's singular goal in Iraq. As far as Iraq goes, such a claim may or may not be true? If it were true, everyone in Blackwater could have joined the U.S. military. But obviously "a desire for monetary or material gain" played a role in their choosing Blackwater over the Army and the Marine Corps.
One wonders too -- as it relates to his men being hired out to corporations -- how Erik Prince would defend his company against the mercenary charge? Is the person defending an oil company's platform in Africa doing it out of a desire to serve his or her country, or is he or she doing it because the money is so damned good?
Still, even by Prince's own definition, he and his employees are mercenaries. "You know the definition of a mercenary is a professional soldier that works in the pay of a foreign army," Erik Prince rationalized.
Certainly Mister Prince realizes that the United States military is a foreign force occupying Iraq. From the perspective of the few Iraqis who actually survive an encounter with Blackwater, Mister Prince and his hair-triggered maniacs are professional soldiers working in the pay of a foreign military ... the United States military.
The point, of course, is that no matter how Erik Prince tries to spin and lie; he and every Blackwater employee in Iraq is a mercenary
Think back to your American History, about how outraged the colonial revolutionaries were when they found out that Britain had the audacity to hire Hessian Mercenaries to fight against us. How do you think our Forefathers would feel knowing that we have resorted to using such despicable actions.
The use of Mercenaries is as despicable and repulsive to a civilized society as Slavery or Torture. In time I hope this practice will be outlawed as well.
Originally posted by biggie smalls
Jsobecky, I see you have no problem defending mercs when they are not in your hometown. I'd like to see them step up to your house and ask for your papers. I'm sure you'd be a little more weary about getting all over their nuts.
Blackwater is not the largest such firm, nor are they unique. There is a market for their services, and they provide those services. You call them mercenaries; they would call themselves private security firms.
Quit true, kroll is much larger and little to nothing is known about them. I didn't forget about your buddy Cheney's halliburton mercs either.
Originally posted by biggie smalls
There's a market for pretty much everything, death included. They seem to have that market squared away.
Originally posted by biggie smalls
The definition of mercenary from Merriam-Webster:
one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service
I'd say that fits right in with what they do.
Originally posted by biggie smalls
Here's another article for those that care:
Blackwater: Mercenary by definition