FBI Sets up Fake Child Porn Links That if Clicked Trigger Armed Raids on Users

Originally posted by Wildbob77
but I think that the FBI should be able to figure out how to weed out people that would accidentally click on a URL vs people who are actively seeking something that is illegal.

The thing that you seem to not understand is they do not care.

Have you ever heard stories of police charging some guy simply because he was convenient or they were pressured in to making an arrest?

Have you ever heard stories of police handing out tickets to meet quotas?

This is what is going to happen. The FBI will be pressured in to making arrests to fill the prisons, to show accomplishments of the new system, and to meet quotas, and they will not care who is innocent and who is not. It won't matter.

As mattifikation said, it won't even matter if they're found guilty or not. Their life is ruined, and the operation still shows as a success because they found someone clicking on one of their entrapment links.

It is a horrible idea, an abuse of power and a violation of Constitutional liberties. Not just one, but several.

There is no way anyone innocent would have been at that site, to see the url. The FBI was not just going around posting url's into AOL Pirates of the Carribean Chat room.

This was done at a foreign based website, according to images shown in the article, does not look like any kind of english I have ever seen, and would wait for any US addresses accessed their files.

I think it should go a step further, and INTERPOL should work with the UN to allow jurisdiction for this to enter the global domian, so that International Authorities can utilize this tactic and reach these criminals everywhere on Earth. We can't single handedly tackle this operation, but American can sure do its part, and we are.

The world must be secured, we have work to do. Stop the cycle of evil and suffering and let us work together to eliminate these threats from every community.

reply to post by DYepes


There's no way anyone innocent can click on a link? Are you serious?

You get an email from one of your friends:

HEY DUDE! CLICK THIS LINK MAN! IT'S AWESOME!

HALO 4 PREVIEW!

Then all of a sudden you find yourself on an FBI website and you're going to have your home raided, yourself embarrassed in front of your neighbors, your employers, your family and your friends, and tried and jailed as a child predator. All for thinking you were looking at a Halo 4 preview.

But you clicked the link!! You MUST be guilty!!

I think it should go a step further, and INTERPOL should work with the UN to allow jurisdiction for this to enter the global domian, so that International Authorities can utilize this tactic and reach these criminals everywhere on Earth.

WOW!

So you want to spread this totalitarian system around the globe, do you? I'm sure you do them proud.

That's the problem with people like you. You automatically assume everyone is a criminal and everyone around you is evil and it all needs to be dealt with in the harshest possible way no matter what the potential for abuse is. You're so brainwashed that you believe your masters are here to protect you and rid your comfortable fairy world of all undesirables.

They clearly have a loyal fan in you.

It's attitudes like this that allow the real evil to spread. You don't take the time to look at statistics about how many people possess child pornography, or even take the time to figure out if it is a large scale problem or not. No, you read a few headlines and assume that these two people caught doing this or these three people caught doing that represent the 6.6 billion people on the planet. Then you wave your FBI foam finger and cheer on the good guys as they continue their freedom crackdowns to "protect the homeland".

What next? Anyone who downloads videos of people jumping out of the Twin Towers is mocking their deaths and therefore is a terrorist? Anyone who views pictures on Google of coc aine is now a drug lord running a word wide drug cartel? Maybe little kids who get plastic guns for Christmas are the world's next assassins?

You deal with criminals in a way that only targets criminals. You don't deal with them in a way that involves everyone. That is a violation of search and seizure, a violation of self-incrimination, a potential violation of freedom of speech, entrapment, and only leads to the illegal and unjust imprisonment of innocent people, the burden of payment for increased unnecessary trials being put on taxpayers, and the ruining of hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent lives who will be ruined by this operation.

It's not a necessary loss and it's a violation of common sense and what is moral and ethical in law enforcement.

It is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not innocent until ASSUMED guilty.

[edit on 3/26/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

reply to post by mattifikation

What if the investigation had revealed that somebody else used his computer, or a hacker used a trojan to access the site through his computer, or somebody had been on his wireless network, or somebody had sent him the link and said it was something else? Do you think he would have gotten his life back after that?

Do you think the FBI would even reveal the evidence that one might actually be innocent? After all, once they have the computer, they can say whatever they want. It wouldn't be the first time someone went to prison because the evidence in their favor was never shown to a jury.

reply to post by DYepes


You my friend must not use the internet much . It is 100% possible. All someone would have to do is disguise the link . As i showed above .
Please don't be naive . If you don't think its possible . Why not post your IP and MAC addy here . I mean there couldn't possibly be a way for someone to set you up using tho could there ?

Reminds me of the British bloke that said "You cant steal an identity with my social security(equivalent) number . Then said it on the air.
Next day he was 60k in debt. LOL.... It don't pay to be naive..

I have found proof that the police do know what they are doing and can be completely trusted. See how they do things across the pond, we have something to learn from those Brits!

British police take down henious criminals

[edit on 3/26/0808 by jackinthebox]

reply to post by DYepes


Awesome. I predicted your post almost exactly. :-)

Interesting that you only provided an incredibly flawed argument against the idea that somebody might click the link by accident.

You ignored:

1. The suspects computer might be compromised by a hacker
2. The suspects network might be in use by a neighbor
3. The link might be SENT TO THEM by somebody else
4. They might be redirected to the link by another page
5. They might have stumbled across the page offering the download, and clicked the link to see if it was real

Oh, and the screenshot didn't look to foreign to me, but had it been in a foreign language then that would have cemented the possibility of people clicking the link by accident. All they'd have had to do is not be bilingual. Are you even thinking right now, or are you too busy waving your pedo hunting flag around to care?

Oh, and for the record, the screen shot shows that the post ended with the words, "If anyone has anymore, PLEASE POST!"

While intentionally presenting somebody with the opportunity to commit a crime is generally not considered entrapment by courts, openly asking them to commit a crime is exactly what entrapment is.

The prostitution stings involve a cop dressing like a hooker and waiting for people to make offers. The fake prostitute cannot get a conviction if THEY make the offer to a potential suspect. In other words, they can't approach random people and say, "Hey, for 200 dollars I'll get you off!" - That's entrapment.

"If anyone has anymore, PLEASE POST!" - Sounds like they're asking people to post more child pornography, to me. Entrapment plain and simple.

What has everyone foaming at the mouth believing that our dedicated citizens who sacrafice alot to keep our people secure are out to just lock everyone up and will lie and cheat their way into doing it?

Some of you people are speaking as if you are completely anti-government, with little regard to how much your own prosperity (in relation with much of the rest of the world) would not be possible without the protections in place now?

I think these anti-justice remarks should be analyzed a bit more, it is as if some of you want crime to continue unabated throughout the 21st century. That is not very progressive for human civilization as far as I can tell.

reply to post by DYepes


Blah Blah Blah .. Go educate yourself on how the internet works . Come back . And talk to us about it . WE ALL support bringing down child molesters and child porn associates.
WERE arguing against using easily skewed tactics to get results. I see you didn't post your ISP info . Its not cause you think im right is it ?

Anyone with 1/2 a brain could set up a friend co-worker enemy with ONE single click . And theres no way to prove otherwise. Someone (Including the FBI) could easily drive around and tap into peoples wireless LAN . Click links and drive to the next spot.
Or as noted above . Barrage peoples emails with enticing links to "free offers" Or other types of things to get them to click . And or just flat out use there computer as a proxy to do it for them .
The courts are not set up to handle these things . Look at the 80-90 year old lady's being charged with file sharing that hardly know how to use goggle .

You cant prove your innocents in these cases especially if you are naive to how the internet works .


We would all like "Justice" But this is the wrong way .
And it seems you would be the perfect candidate to set up for one of these crimes . I mean its not possible right ? So if they kick in your door . You will just HAVE to concede your guilt . It's just "Justice"

[edit on 26-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

At no point have I stated any of the things you are saying.nI suggest that you stop attacking the arguments that you've put in my mouth, and address something that I actually said.

My concern isn't intentional prosecution of innocent people, it's the accidental arrest of people on false charges due to the insane amount of errors an investigation like this can lead to. It's that arrest, and that arrest alone, that would destroy a person's reputation and life forever.

This topic isn't about the guilt or innocence of the FBI, so STOP BRINGING IT UP. This topic is about the absolute technical INACCURACY of this method of "investigation," and the problems that it can cause to people who don't deserve it. That inaccuracy is irrefutable.

Well I can definetly understand why people outside the community call us crazy conspiracy theorists.

Why do you make up all these insane scenarios as if the next case is about to be a setup. spend more time focusing on fixing the flaws if any.

Many wireless connections are secured, and cannot just be utilized at a whim. What business do I have posting my IP?




As anyone can clearly see, that website is based in Russia. It is not uncommon for dirty people to setup their virtual terrorist camps in countries that are not actively monitoring their servers.

I mean that chat forum would have to be some kind of intentionally well hidden and secretly disguised because it does not just pop-up in peoples windows or in their email.

It was however, as stated in the article, tracked down to be known as a congregation and trading post for some depraved individuals. Nobody in that circle, who just happens to be able to find that place is their innocently.

That is like accidentally finding yourself in a crackhouse, smoking and buying crack on accident.

reply to post by DYepes


But it leaves the real criminal open to set up innocent people . Say i go copy a link or two from one of those sites . And just spam it to 100000000's of email's with "Hey honey its your mom" as the title . And an auto popup inbeded in the email .

You also think that MOST wireless is secure ? Lol my psp can crack wireless encryption . My wii can also . Not hard man . I would say that 50+% of wireless connections are in-secure.

Give this a read if you will

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Anyone can connect to your wireless connection and steal the services that you are paying for.
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Anyone can connect to your wireless connection and conduct illegal downloads of copyrighted materials. RIAA will come after you, the registered user of the connection.
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Anyone can "sniff" your unsecured wireless connection and steal your personal information without your knowledge.
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Anyone can connect to your wireless connection, engage in illegal activities, and law enforcement officers will trace the illegal activity to you, the registered legitimate user of the connection.

128.175.24.251...

[edit on 26-3-2008 by oLDWoRLDDiSoRDeR]

I agree with DYepes.

And this is the reason you should all change your minds.

Innocence

Originally posted by mattifikation

1. The suspects computer might be compromised by a hacker
2. The suspects network might be in use by a neighbor
3. The link might be SENT TO THEM by somebody else
4. They might be redirected to the link by another page
5. They might have stumbled across the page offering the download, and clicked the link to see if it was real

Dyepes, I agree with what was said about all of us (i hope) wanting to take down these child abusers, and I am happy to hear you do as well. The thing that's in question here is the method being employed.

I wanted to add to your list mattification =]

6. A foe, or some random dude at your house party, could click the link so that the FBI would raid you
7. malicious third party software. who knows what malicious spyware is doing with your browser.
8. perhaps the browser software itself gets corrupted and starts functioning improperly.
9. your old, tired eyes miscalculate, and you click the wrong link
10. laptop touchpads. seriously, I have clicked many links on accident with that stupid touchpad
11. the link says "hot naked teen", you click it expecting an eighteen year old, but lo and behold she was eleventeen and friends with the Feds.

[edit on 033131p://26u45 by Lucid Lunacy]

Originally posted by jackinthebox
I agree with DYepes.

And this is the reason you should all change your minds.

Innocence

Well shoot. I guess there is no way around that logic. I also retract from my ealier position and agree with Dyeppes.

reply to post by Lucid Lunacy


Yes, ditto. Clearly, I only went to that image because I was looking for child pornography. There's no other explanation.

I retract everything, and now agree that if the FBI points a finger at you, then YOU DID IT.

Originally posted by DYepes
Well I can definetly understand why people outside the community call us crazy conspiracy theorists.

Nobody on the outside thinks I am a crazy conspiracy theorist, because I never go outside. I stay on the inside, and only let people come in if they too are conspiracy theorists.

So you can imagine my reaction when I found out I could no longer click links that ambigiously said "teen" but now exclusively say "milf", otherwise I would get many uninviteds. And that's no good for the conspiranoid..

[edit on 033131p://26u01 by Lucid Lunacy]

The whole concept of pornography has to do with american puritanical ideas that sex can only be done in marriage, for creation of chidren.
Recreational sex is a sin, so homosexuality and other things were made crimes.
To look at any kind of picture that would get you excited is wrong, to this way of thinking.
Even thinking sexual thoughts would be criminal.
So, here you go with thought crimes.
The swinsuit edition of sports illustrated would have been banned because it would induce impure thoughts.
Technechly, you could be brought up on charges for having in your possesion a picture cut out of a clothes cateloge, if it was of a minor and you had it mixed in with some pictures from a playboy.
We need to stop with the orwellion thought crime prosecutions and go for people who actually are abusing children.


[edit on 26-3-2008 by jmdewey60]

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by jackinthebox
I agree with DYepes.

And this is the reason you should all change your minds.

Innocence

Well shoot. I guess there is no way around that logic. I also retract from my ealier position and agree with Dyeppes.

I dont quite understand... is this supposed to be a joke of some sort? Could you explain it? Maybe it would help if you went outide a bit and did experience the real world?

Watching a child being molested and enjoying it is not thought crime, it is a real crime. Attempting to watch a child being molested for your viewing pleasure is a crime. Stop the crimes, end the suffering.