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reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 04:09 PM by vor78
reply to post by Tenebrous



If they're right, why would they want to waste resources fixing a problem that doesn't exist? Granted, there would likely be a few benefits, but at the cost of a great deal of inefficiency.

If you want to rid the world of fossil fuel use, for example, state that as your objective and aim the funding towards that end. Otherwise, developing additional technologies to affect non-existent (or natural) 'climate change' serves no one and is largely a waste of time, effort and resources.





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reply posted on 15-3-2008 @ 04:24 PM by TheRedneck
Why? Simply put, I do not trust the motives of the leaders of the Global warming hysteria.

If it were a question of "Why don't we find ways to use less fossil fuels?", then, sure, I'm all for that... as long as the fossil fuels are replaced by something else, obviously preferably something less polluting. If it were "Why don't we develop technology to clean up the mess we've made?", hey, I think that's a great idea!

The consequences for the average person from the present movement of Global Warming activists are not a loss of a little money. It's the loss of everything we hold dear. CO2 is produced in the very act of breathing; will this lead to a breathing tax? It seems automobiles are now in the sights of the activists. Does that mean I will have to ride a horse, a bike, or maybe even walk to the nearest store, 15 miles away, for groceries? The use of ethanol (which does not reduce CO2 emissions) is already raising costs for staples such as cereal, bread, milk, and eggs. Will I soon be unable to feed my family?

I am not against a clean environment. I myself own 90 acres of virgin forest, which I maintain in it's glorious unspoiled beauty. I have done so all my life, without any EPA to tell me how to do it. It provides me with beauty, peace, food (hunting/gardening), and a place to go to get away from all the bluster and harassment society seems to be so good at providing. I do not need, nor do I want any politician to tell me I am doing something wrong with it. It's mine. It's my home.

I hope this answers your question.

TheRedneck



reply posted on 17-3-2008 @ 07:23 AM by Long Lance
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
I would say this arises out of a resistance to change when it is being rammed down your throat.




it seems i'll have to assemble some change in my favour and club somone else with it just to see how it feels... i hope you're aware that this is simplya a variant of the 'you're only scared' line of thinking.

10 years ago, i did not think much about AGW, therefore considered it legit (even though i've always found it suspicious how a gaseous absorption spectrum consisting of discrete frequencies only could strongly influence planetary climate) and basically agreed that resource consumption should be reduced to minimize environmental impact - i still do, btw, but AGW is a wholly different affair.

when confronted with conflicting evidence you have the option to either ignore it ("Exxon paid them") or weigh it against the bulk of data. it turns out that many, many people are neither willing to adress anomalies in their own data (near the end of the linked post on the bottom) nor are they inclined to even consider different views. this forum is rife with such types and their only redeeming quality is persistence, afaics.

the true goals become obvious when the alarmists' favorite tactic, namely a "call for action" is yet again used to corall the unsuspecting into embracing inconsistent data - f-ex. Greenland inhabitated by Vikings 1000AD, on one hand, Greenland Glaciers subject to unprecedented warming, since millions of years, on the other. (the dreaded 'Let's save the Earth' nonsense. most people couldn't fight their way out of the proverbial paperback, let alone save anyone). invariably, it's 'green' technologies (see
www.abovetopsecret.com...) to the rescue and when they fail, as they often do, it's austerity. that's loss of options and loss of quality of life, for the benefit of those WITH options, of course.

the true goal is deindustrialisation, out of purely romantic delusions, based on the assumption that all the injustice of the world is tied to the current model of society and production. in truth, it's obvioulsy, the other way around, namely, the current model was built around these fake *ideals* of vertical, unconditional power in the hands of fewer and fewer people. the industry is merely reflecting that, much like government is. iow, willful sabotage will only change the lot of the powerless, ie. ours, for the worse, but tell that to some starry eyed world saver


www.abovetopsecret.com...


reply posted on 17-3-2008 @ 08:38 AM by 44soulslayer
Originally posted by Long Lance
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
I would say this arises out of a resistance to change when it is being rammed down your throat.




it seems i'll have to assemble some change in my favour and club somone else with it just to see how it feels... i hope you're aware that this is simplya a variant of the 'you're only scared' line of thinking.

10 years ago, i did not think much about AGW, therefore considered it legit (even though i've always found it suspicious how a gaseous absorption spectrum consisting of discrete frequencies only could strongly influence planetary climate) and basically agreed that resource consumption should be reduced to minimize environmental impact - i still do, btw, but AGW is a wholly different affair.

when confronted with conflicting evidence you have the option to either ignore it ("Exxon paid them") or weigh it against the bulk of data. it turns out that many, many people are neither willing to adress anomalies in their own data (near the end of the linked post on the bottom) nor are they inclined to even consider different views. this forum is rife with such types and their only redeeming quality is persistence, afaics.

the true goals become obvious when the alarmists' favorite tactic, namely a "call for action" is yet again used to corall the unsuspecting into embracing inconsistent data - f-ex. Greenland inhabitated by Vikings 1000AD, on one hand, Greenland Glaciers subject to unprecedented warming, since millions of years, on the other. (the dreaded 'Let's save the Earth' nonsense. most people couldn't fight their way out of the proverbial paperback, let alone save anyone). invariably, it's 'green' technologies (see
www.abovetopsecret.com...) to the rescue and when they fail, as they often do, it's austerity. that's loss of options and loss of quality of life, for the benefit of those WITH options, of course.

the true goal is deindustrialisation, out of purely romantic delusions, based on the assumption that all the injustice of the world is tied to the current model of society and production. in truth, it's obvioulsy, the other way around, namely, the current model was built around these fake *ideals* of vertical, unconditional power in the hands of fewer and fewer people. the industry is merely reflecting that, much like government is. iow, willful sabotage will only change the lot of the powerless, ie. ours, for the worse, but tell that to some starry eyed world saver


www.abovetopsecret.com...



Ah, but you fail to see another group of people (myself included) who believe:

1. Global warming is a real and present danger to this world

2. It will lead to a rise in sea levels and result in consequences which we have no idea of at this stage. Even a single degree change would spell doom for aquatic lifeforms.

but most importantly,

3. There is nothing that we can do to change this from occuring. As long as other nations exist, they are free to keep polluting and releasing CO2 into the environment. Rather than using measures which destroy our country economically, we should shift our focus to adapting to a scenario where global warming has already occured. The world should technically, heal itself after the effects of global warming have wiped out a percentage of the population of the earth.


reply posted on 17-3-2008 @ 08:53 AM by chromatico
reply to post by rizla



How can you say majority? Did anyone ever poll the paleontologists, historians, etc.?


reply posted on 17-3-2008 @ 09:03 AM by rizla
Originally posted by chromatico
reply to
post by rizla



How can you say majority? Did anyone ever poll the paleontologists, historians, etc.?


Here we go, hair-splitting and denying the obvious while the north pole melts. I have better things to do.
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