The NWO is the greatest idea!

reply to post by Nohup


There are several major problems, as i see it:
How will people agree to become part of something different?
Usually throughout the history it was done by "the worse it gets -the better" tactics, so a lot of people will suffer before this unification could be reached.
What will counterbalance such a government?
Since there will be nothing outside to monitor/oppose it, the down-slide to Totalitarianism is unavoidable.
Will it really ensure survival of a Human race?- it might eliminate global nuclear conflict threat, but progress itself will eliminate us as a species.
And the question that worries me personally the most - who will be "declared" the enemy ,the one to be blamed for all the mistakes/miscalculations of the ruling class? You have to have an enemy withing, if there is none without.
And last, since Order is the goal,the need to achieve it will bring a need of huge bureaucratic apparatus which will only bring disorder, due to corruption and interference of influential groups with certain interests.
It all happened in the last attempt to create an utopia, but there was at least a hope of escaping. Where will person escape(or hope to escape) if it will be a united planet?

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Eh, sometimes you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelete.

Sometimes you gotta crack a few million, to make a really big omelete.

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
You don't live in the woods any longer. You are not a loner, but a member.

Correction, I am an individual. I am not part or or will be a part of this conceptual borg collective you describe that takes away free thought, speech, religion, self defense and utterly free will.

Why do you think it will take away that? You've obviosly been wathing too much tv and your scope of vision has been greatly affected.

Ask 10 people in 10 cites what they deem healthy and unhealthy and you will get 100 different answers. Do you honestly thing that the NWO would allow things that could lead to 'unhealthyness' to even be allowed for people to be consumed?

Ask 10 people? Why not ask a central authority derived from doctors, philosophers and fitness trainers? An NWO Department of Health. You speak of the NWO as if it is some type of central evil supercomputer, like VIKI from I, Robot... why? Today, it is illegal for many things to be consumed: Certain mushrooms, moonshine, dogs, cats, many drugs, plants, endangered species. The list goes on and on. You are delusional if you are under the impression that you can consume what you want to today without consequences. Just have a look at how the military monitors and requires personel to maintain a certain level of physical fitness. It is not envasive at all. People would still have the "freedom" to become extremely obese, just like they have the "freedom" to speed. The unhealthy by choice will be fined accordingly for the benefit of society.

I will concede that some of the things you describe in you concept of NWO would be beneficial. However, those are things that can occur from technological progress alone without revoking constitutional rights. The idea of integrated smart highways and vehicles that utilize the technologies you describe are what I envision the future without your NWO would be like.

It seems you may have been swept away by the technology and sci-fi aspect of this whole thing.

It seems to be that you have been swept away by the paranoid fabrications of Alex Jones, ATS, and other doom and gloom victims of control. The NWO is not a force to restrict you, it is a force to free you.

Don't be like people from another thread who are crying out "they are taking our liberties" only because police are asking the owners of houses in crime laden neighborhoods if they can check for illegal weapons and drugs. This is for the benefit of society - the only thing that this illusion of privacy is protecting is the criminal who has the weapons and drugs.

The NWO is about working together as nations, as communities, and as people. It is not the evil oppresive dystopian society that you imagine it to be. I promise you.

reply to post by Holygamer


Nice analogy. To continue with it...
Whose eggs will it be? Who will be the cook? Who will eat the omelet?
And:: Will it be the omelet or the usual mess in the end?

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
Why do you think it will take away that? You've obviosly been wathing too much tv and your scope of vision has been greatly affected.

Ask 10 people? Why not ask a central authority derived from doctors, philosophers and fitness trainers? An NWO Department of Health. You speak of the NWO as if it is some type of central evil supercomputer, like VIKI from I, Robot... why?

Seems more like you are drawing your ideas of a utopian NWO from special effects enhanced overtly sexualized sci-fi shows yourself.

Today, it is illegal for many things to be consumed: Certain mushrooms, moonshine, dogs, cats, many drugs, plants, endangered species. The list goes on and on. You are delusional if you are under the impression that you can consume what you want to today without consequences. Just have a look at how the military monitors and requires personel to maintain a certain level of physical fitness. It is not envasive at all. People would still have the "freedom" to become extremely obese, just like they have the "freedom" to speed. The unhealthy by choice will be fined accordingly for the benefit of society.

First, we are not talking about mind altering substances, we are talking about food that provides nutritional value, protein, carbohydrates etc., despite how much or little. Your NWO would not allow anything that could be bad to exist.

The NWO is not a force to restrict you, it is a force to free you.

Is that the slogan that goes on the poster? Right next to the one "Verboten: Schlechte, Schmutzige Juden"

Don't be like people from another thread who are crying out "they are taking our liberties" only because police are asking the owners of houses in crime laden neighborhoods if they can check for illegal weapons and drugs.

And when they come in without a warrant, that is the loss of the fourth amendment rights there. One liberty gone, what else?

The NWO is about working together as nations, as communities, and as people.

What kind of hippy socialist bull is that?!

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
How will people agree to become part of something different?

On a local level, it won't be. The NWO isn't going to come in and replace all the laws and police forces in every country in the world. That would be insanely inefficient and expensive. It will be more of an overseeing administrative body. Most people wouldn't even be aware of its existence.

Usually throughout the history it was done by "the worse it gets -the better" tactics, so a lot of people will suffer before this unification could be reached.

Hard to say. In general, though, wars hurt people, and then a bureaucracy is built to get things get back to normal. In this case, it will be more like the establishment of a larger organization. Some military dictatorships might not dig it and start wars. But they do that now. Would you rather be on the side of the dictators?

What will counterbalance such a government?

The same thing that counterbalances any large agency. Systems of internal checks and balances, along with a need for the bureaucrats running it to keep their jobs. Those checks and balances will have to be established in the Charter.

Since there will be nothing outside to monitor/oppose it, the down-slide to Totalitarianism is unavoidable.

That remains to be seen. However, with all governmental systems, if it becomes unsustainable, people will probably find a way to get rid of it. Even Chinese Empires crumbled again and again.

Will it really ensure survival of a Human race?- it might eliminate global nuclear conflict threat, but progress itself will eliminate us as a species.

No one can guarantee the survival of the human race. As you said, the human race is essentially doomed because of its success, anyway. Its primary goal would be to monitor resources and respond to irregularities in trade. If somebody cooks up a supervirus that kills off 99 percent of the people on the planet, nothing would stop that. But if there's an asteroid impact, or a huge drought somewhere, or a crazy military dictator starts killing off millions of people to ethnically cleanse the country, an NWO might come in real handy.

And the question that worries me personally the most - who will be "declared" the enemy ,the one to be blamed for all the mistakes/miscalculations of the ruling class? You have to have an enemy withing, if there is none without.

Obviously groups of people who feel that they have the right to make other people suffer will be considered the first enemy. As for mistakes made by the system itself, maybe we can work toward not assigning blame but trying to figure out a better solution.

And last, since Order is the goal,the need to achieve it will bring a need of huge bureaucratic apparatus which will only bring disorder, due to corruption and interference of influential groups with certain interests.

I find it interesting that you automatically assume that all bureaucracies will create disorder. All I can say is that there will naturally be some inefficiencies, but that's what the internal checks and balances will work against. I also suspect that as technology gets more refined, it will help properly monitor and identify activities that negatively impact the system. Sure, there will be bugs in it at first. But as time goes by, those should diminish.

It all happened in the last attempt to create an utopia, but there was at least a hope of escaping.

I assume you're referring to Nazi Germany, which everybody seems to oddly want to equate with the NWO for no apparent reason other than fear of the unknown. That was the vision of a racist misanthrope and his gang, and a seminal NWO crushed it.

Where will person escape (or hope to escape) if it will be a united planet?

United but diverse. A global society, pretty much like is it now, but more clearly defined and recognized for what it is. The world gets smaller every day. Where can a person escape now?

If a person really has a problem working under the essentially abstract, overall control of an organization intended to help people, there shouldn't be a problem. Just like now, if a person wants to go be a hermit and live in the hills, cut off from the global society, I can't imagine why the NWO would even care. As long as they aren't plotting large-scale violence, or disrupting the free flow of trade and information, what would it matter?

[edit on 13-3-2008 by Nohup]

Originally posted by Nohup
Obviously groups of people who feel that they have the right to make other people suffer will be considered the first enemy.

This is where we lose our freedom of speech. You see it beginning now. Someone wants to draw a cartoon with Mohammed or use a racial slur, people feel offended, so now they want to limit speech if it hurts someones feelings.

I assume you're referring to Nazi Germany, which everybody seems to oddly want to equate with the NWO for no apparent reason other than fear of the unknown.

So will disabled people, those with mental problems be allowed to live? Will the NWO state take care or them eliminate the drain on their perfect system? If this ideas isn't close to the Nazi ideals, nothing is.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Those that go opposed to change will be the eggs. The cook, the mob rule of people for a NWO.

It can't work if its people are opposed to it.

Originally posted by Wolf321

First, we are not talking about mind altering substances, we are talking about food that provides nutritional value, protein, carbohydrates etc., despite how much or little. Your NWO would not allow anything that could be bad to exist.

That's pretty absurd because "bad" is subjective. You seem to be imagining a world without snicker bars and cup cakes, when I'm talking about poisonous food additives and things that are allowed to remain in our food by the FDA. I'm also leaning toward an enforcement of a more advanced food pyramid that if not abided to (certain caloric monthly intake on average) then there will be consequences for you because you and your unhealthy self will have a higher chance of taking up hospital space and medicinal, and food resources for no good reason other than lack of self control and decadence. These are all limited. This kind of disgusting indulgence will be introctrinated out of young children at an early age. People will not feel that it is "ok" to become disgustingly obese to to the point that they develop health problems.

And when they come in without a warrant, that is the loss of the fourth amendment rights there. One liberty gone, what else?

There will be no need for that because firearms will have embedded tracking devices that if removed will render the weapon disabled and it will report such action to the local firearm registrar. Warrants are old technology. It is the technology of permission. Permission will not be required with active tracking and monitoring. Technology will ultimately give us more freedom and privacy, but also allow our criminal actions to be pinpointed. You and your concealed firearm may be passively tracked but if a scanner sees that you have taken it out of concealment, you will be observed by an enforcer or an AI. I'm guessing there will eventually be a system in place where camera's can disable people by projectile, dart, tazer, whatever etc.. so if you are about to murder someone, an automated system AI will probably be able to discern this given enough observation and tracking technology. None of your actions will come into question and will only be monitored by the system - most likely not recorded. Like today, when a crime is reported, CCTVs are checked. Nobody is actively scanning and watching everyone in some attempt to make them feel like they have no privacy. Only when suspicious activity comes into play will you lose your assumed privacy. It will all be very impersonal and transparent until you perform an illegal action.

This all relies on the indoctrination scheme of military/paramedic/philosophy and weapons training. The one we have now is not stringent enough and it only creates lax and lazy individuals. It's disgusting what comes out of public schools today. Large police forces will no longer be necessary as the people will be the Militia in most cases. It will be much closer to what the 2nd amendment intended than today. We didn't the dispicable selfish attitudes that we have today, the gang violence, high degree of random crime, and everything else the US has mutated into since the drafting of the constitution. We may or may not keep our constitution in the long run.

Drugs won't be a big deal because waste water will be checked for contaminates, and if high amounts of drugs are present (those that would be detrimental to your health in the long run) you will be paid a visit by someone, or forced into public service for a certain amount of time. There will be no jail for such trivial actions, but if they are repeated them more servere consequences will take place.

What kind of hippy socialist bull is that?!

I don't know, what kind of hippy socialist bull is it for the body to work together as organs, cells, and organelles? Or how about when citizens, county and state governments cooperate? The problem today is that ordinary citizens don't wish to cooperate with their community on the basis of some anti-social "privacy."

reply to post by Mr. Ree

Or how about when citizens, county and state governments cooperate? The problem today is that ordinary citizens don't wish to cooperate with their community on the basis of some anti-social "privacy."

AMEN! It is the right of an individual to not be a part of a community, group etc. If I want to stay in my home, pay my taxes, never do anything with the community, never donate money to the community etc, I shouldn't be forced to. The idea of helping out those less fortunate, doing something to improve the would you live in is a spiritual quest, based in character. Not something that should be enforced.

I disagree. I don't think it's a great idea. I concede that it could have the potential to be a good idea; but for some I think the idea of New World Order has pro's and con's...just as any debate/topic/decision that is to be made. For me personally, there are just more con's then pro's on this particular topic.

I am not in favor of it, even though I can understand the convenience’s that would come with it… I’m concerned about what would be given up for this idea. What would we lose? What would we be forced to do? What ideals and beliefs would we be forced to conform to? What benefits will we receive from supporting the idea of NWO? What is the price we will pay for these benefits? Are we willing to pay that price?

There are things about the current Government that irritate me to no end; however these are the things that I accept to exercise my rights as a Canadian citizen. I value my Freedom of Speech, my freedom of expression, my right to bare arms, my right to vote, my right to practice religion etc…

Am I willing to trade all the things I hate for the loss of my freedom? Am I willing to trade my freedom, which was fought for, to obey a NWO Government with the potential of selfish motives? Am I wiling to believe or trust that they have my best interests at heart when they make decisions? Am I to trust that they will live and rule in an Ethical manner? Are we willing to lose the cultural definitions which make our world what it is today?

Allowing a council/Government, to have that much power over the world, has the potential for disastrous outcomes, which I am not interested in experiencing. I can’t help but think that there would be ulterior motives (or at least the possibility of) for such a Government. I am not interested in the possibility of my freedom, or rights being compromised for something like NWO.

Interesting theory.

I agree with your benefits if you are looking at this from a strictly statistical viewpoint. True, mankind will prosper as one and lives will be improved across the globe should the reforms you mention take place. The problem is the way it will be implemented. For the world to move on, we must do it together, willingly, and not under duress.

Remember the saying, "A good worker is a happy worker." Very true. (Obviously the Japanese are not involved in the construction of our impending doom.)

You state that automation will replace "dead end jobs". I completely agree, I'm very surprised that it is taking as long as it is. I love to hear the checkout personnel praising the self service tills; how they are so much better than having to it themselves. It will happen, however there is a major problem with this. If the NWO maintains a credit/currency trade system, where is the money going to come from for the welfare benefits for these people? Tax. If there are no "dead end jobs" then there is a huge deficit in the the Welfare budget, a problem we in the UK are starting to experience within the pensions arena following the arrival of the Baby Boomers at their retirement age.

I would like to know why these things are going to happen. Why the NWO exists in the first place. Control? Yes. Money, can't see it. These people behind the NWO are very intelligent people indeed. The acquisition of wealth has no meaning in a world that you control.

Anyway, I agree with your viewpoint provided that it is a mathematical equation, this plus this would equal this. From the standpoint of a human being living in these times, I completely disagree with you. The NWO is not a good idea, and the reasons behind it cannot be pleasant.

They will not succeed, the human spirit is too strong, we would find a way.

The main question is why. Why they want this control and power.