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The NWO is the greatest idea!

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posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 07:36 AM
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Social Fitness:

Smoking will be banned in public world wide, the obese will not be allowed to eat fast food, or be served in most resturants. The physical exercise and diet of the unhealthy will be mandated. We can already see this beginning to happen. Along with standard education, it will also be standard that citizens receive basic to advanced self defense (and philosophy of defense), weapons, and life saving skills in the same institutions that they receive their normal citizen indoctrination. Upon the time of graduation, the common citizen will have the equivalent of 12 years of military, martial arts (and philosophy) and paramedic training. After graduation, all citizens who do not enroll in college for more of the similar training/education regime for the overall benefit of society and the NWO will be required to serve two years in the consolodated New World Military (basic training will no longer be required) or work for three years in a civil position supporting the NWO (unified world). The young will be indoctrinated to view their place in society as an instrument to better the world, and many forms of selfishness and decadence will be looked down upon and strongly discouraged.

Dead end jobs like fast food, bank tellers, cashiers, etc.. are gradually, and will be, phased out as technological advancements automate those sectors, or in the case of banks, completely change the skills required to work there. Private banks will then eventually be phased out by the NWO and the NWO government will control the entire credit and exchange systems. Old money would only be exchanged when traveling to the countries outside of the NWO.

Social Safety:

Every citizen will have their DNA, finger prints, retina scans, etc.. in a centrally backed up redundant database. ID Cards and keys will no longer be needed as every establishment will be mandated to have scanners which report individual location much like debit card/credit card transactions already do. A global CCTV network will allow for the quick tracking of criminal suspects via face, gait, and other types of recognition as in the UK. Wallets will be a thing of the past as the system will allow credits to be deducted from your "floating" credit account by biometric id. Pety theft, muggings, and other hold ups, along with counterfeiting and ID theft will be virtually eliminated in modern societies as such actions would be pointless. Overall social fitness will be increased, making the average person able to fend for themselves, also contributing to a decreased frequency of battery, rape, and other brutal crimes. Required vaccinations will also be administered and those traveling to other countries (only those outside of the NWO, referred to pejoratively as "The old world" or "Stagnations", will be required to have location specific vaccinations.

All vehicles on the road excluding emergency vehicles will be controlled to go only the speed limit, and advances in technology will allow for cars that drive themselves through a combination of technologies such as GPS, road markers, laser navigation, etc... Automoble accidents will be only rare occurances from fluke circumstances. Vehicles will be able to be shut down, locked, or guided by law enforcement in the case of suspected criminal activity. Speeding, wreckless driving and avoiding being pulled over will no longer be a personal liberty.

Crime:

Prisons will be destroyed while a few converted to museums ala and criminals will be sentenced to live in the old world, either performing humanatarian or production duties under the leash of the "New World Humanitarian Security Force" as indentured servants while receiving a greater perspective of life for however long until they were permitted reentrance in the NWO - or living in the old world under no restriction but unable to ever enter into the new world again.




posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 08:44 AM
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That sounds like an absolutely hellish and soul-less world to live in. What part of that totalitarian nightmare were you refering to as the 'greatest'?

What about freedom, choice, and following one's own destiny, making one's own mistakes, and learning one's own lessons?



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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How miserable is your life that you would so happily relinquish your freedoms so that the government would control your life?


it will also be standard that citizens receive basic to advanced self defense (and philosophy of defense), weapons, and life saving skills in the same institutions that they receive their normal citizen indoctrination. Upon the time of graduation, the common citizen will have the equivalent of 12 years of military, martial arts (and philosophy) and paramedic training.


You think that the NWO government would want to train those it is trying to control how to fight? Or even allow them to posses a gun outside of its military forces? Seriously?


The young will be indoctrinated to view their place in society


I prefer to tell my children to make their own way in this world, not be told what their place is.

It basically sounds a lot like your combining elements of Brave New World, Gattica, Minority Report and a dash of Starship Troopers into your view of an ideal world and saying that is what the NWO intends to usher in.

Sadly, if you account for all the various conspiracies and reports on the matter, the whole purpose of the NWO is to benefit the elite financially and feed their power lust. Any beneficial way you interpret the loss of personal privacy and freedoms would be far from the actuality.


[edit on 11-3-2008 by Wolf321]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
reply to post by Mr. Ree
 


How miserable is your life that you would so happily relinquish your freedoms so that the government would control your life?


I should ask you the same question.

Do you think that you currently can disobey the government and get away with it in most cases? Do you live by laws, morals, social and governmental constraints - or by complete selfishness and total disregard for those around you?

Or are you a complete Solipcist? An Idealistic philosopher that is beyond the realms of agreed reality?



You think that the NWO government would want to train those it is trying to control how to fight?


Of course. Isn't it doing that at this very moment? Forget about conscription, what do you think military service is today? It is controlling those by telling them how to fight, and what to fight for per orders.



I prefer to tell my children to make their own way in this world, not be told what their place is.


You should probably tell them not to pay taxes, not to get social security, not to obey laws, not to register their car, and not to do everything else that is required to live in government society.

They could then figure out their place in some weird illusion that you've indoctinated them into - perhaps like a religion.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 02:07 PM
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Hm, without the indoctrination, the manditory enslavement, the total survailance and the digital ID plus not being able have physical money that does open the door to that movie 'the net'. Everybody will be in danger of loosing their identity. But without all that it would be nice


The nice thing about it is in fact the possibility of technology that will take te crappy jobs of our hands but why should any high-up person want to do that? Keep the population busy! So let them wrap those candy-papers around it all day long 5 days a week. Let them crunch numbers, etc.

An NWO would be nice if it would take care of the bare essentials and NOTHING more.

Think about the water/electricity (if we need any powerplants then ofcourse
), maybe the infrastructure as a whole. A minimal police-force that will only act on crimes that has victims outside of the persons perpetrating them, anything else will not be a crime anymore. Money-transactions will be totally transparant for everyone that wishes to see it, making it harder to get 300% profit for something because people will not buy it that fast. And you can track the production of a product with the moneytransfers so a sweatshop in India will be in the open for people that know how to 'read' the system.

Ah well, a NWO without the whole totalitarian swing about it would be nice. Maybe just let the bigwigs set up the NWo and take it over after they are finished
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[edit on 11-3-2008 by Harman]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 03:07 PM
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Do you think that you currently can disobey the government and get away with it in most cases? Do you live by laws, morals, social and governmental constraints - or by complete selfishness and total disregard for those around you?


I absolutely consider myself a law abiding citizen, under the U.S. Constitution. Under NWO, losing my right to free speech, free choice and practice of faith, peaceable assembly, to own a gun (or 100), to own a home and land, and have a say in who makes the laws I will live under, then I will become a lawless criminal.


what do you think military service is today? It is controlling those by telling them how to fight, and what to fight for per orders.


As a veteran, virtually all members of the armed forces would not fight against its own citizens to ensure the lost of their (citizens, military included) rights.


You should probably tell them not to pay taxes, not to get social security, not to obey laws, not to register their car, and not to do everything else that is required to live in government society.


If it is under your ideal NWO, that is exactly what I will be telling them.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 03:16 PM
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When did you visit England? You describe it perfectly.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 03:24 PM
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Well, the NWO is really more about placing an administrative level of government on top of existing governments, mostly dealing with standardization of trade protocols, resource tracking, and responding to natural calamities (asteroid strikes, climate changes, etc.) that are too big for any one government to handle alone. Something like the United Nations, but unlike the U.N., having the power to mobilize resources and enforce its laws. Local governments, from nations down to local police, will still retain regional and specific control. So any freedoms you currently enjoy are unlikely to be curtailed or changed from what they are now.

As for "freedom," we all make compromises when it comes to that. We already obey our laws. We gladly comply with a huge number of rules and regulations and suggestions and influences not only from official sources but from our family and peers. We make the choices we make about our lives from within our social contexts.

The NWO will still allow you to make any choice you want, as long as it doesn't disrupt trade, damage the environment, or infringe on the rights and liberty of others.

"The universe grows smaller every day, and the threat of aggression by any group, anywhere, can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all, or no one is secure. Now, this does not mean giving up any freedom, except the freedom to act irresponsibly. Your ancestors knew this when they made laws to govern themselves and hired policemen to enforce them. We, of the other planets, have long accepted this principle. We have an organization for the mutual protection of all planets and for the complete elimination of aggression. The test of any such higher authority is, of course, the police force that supports it. For our policemen, we created a race of robots. Their function is to patrol the planets in spaceships like this one and preserve the peace. In matters of aggression, we have given them absolute power over us. This power cannot be revoked. At the first sign of violence, they act automatically against the aggressor. The penalty for provoking their action is too terrible to risk. The result is, we live in peace, without arms or armies, secure in the knowledge that we are free from aggression and war. Free to pursue more... profitable enterprises. Now, we do not pretend to have achieved perfection, but we do have a system, and it works." Klatuu - "The Day the Earth Stood Still."

[edit on 11-3-2008 by Nohup]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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PUBLIC HEALTH

One thing the NWO will be particularly interested in is health. Disease, sickness, malnutrition, etc., are all an incredible drain on personal and governmental resources and inhibit the maximization and efficiency of production. So when the NWO rolls into town, expect the implementation of a global health system, that monitors everyone's health both individually and in groups. Along with that, expect the constant monitoring of the environment to find areas of high toxicity, and response to short-term health problems caused by viral outbreaks, unusual weather (droughts), and so on.

The goal will be to determine the optimum carrying capacity of various regions of the planet and the planet as a whole, and ensure that everyone has access to basic, functional health care. Naturally, people get sick and die. That will be addressed as humanely as possible, but the goal will not be to keep people alive forever by extraordinary and wildly expensive means. Of course, if you want to spend money to purchase your own private health care, with expensive multiple transplants to keep you alive for a few extra months, you'll be able to do that, too. The same choice you have now.

For the most part, however, the focus will be on determining optimum carrying capacities and controlling reproduction, providing food and clean water enough for everyone, providing basic medical care, and as much as practically possible easing the pain and suffering of people as they progress through life.

[edit on 11-3-2008 by Nohup]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
Something like the United Nations, but unlike the U.N., having the power to mobilize resources and enforce its laws. Local governments, from nations down to local police, will still retain regional and specific control. So any freedoms you currently enjoy are unlikely to be curtailed or changed from what they are now.


I think an urban, liberal mentality will have to overtake the nation (USA) before Americans are ok with turning over their sovereignty to a multi-national government. Hence so many people now who would be happy to see the US out of the UN, and the outrage over the NAFTA superhighway, NAU conspiracies.


As for "freedom," we all make compromises when it comes to that.


Aside from a change to a liberal mindset, Americans aren't going to give up their guns. This is a big No-No for NWO. I can see now, however, that there is a change to infringe freedom of speech.

NWO is likely to be very socialist bordering on Communist. This means people giving up more of their own production, money etc to forcibly share with those not producing. This is already a sore point for many Americans and we aren't even a socialist state (yet.) I can't foresee hard working folks allowing themselves to be taken like that.


The NWO will still allow you to make any choice you want, as long as it doesn't disrupt trade, damage the environment, or infringe on the rights and liberty of others.


I don't think it will be that simple. This is basically the way America is now, without the trade disruption clause. I believe that NWO 'rights' are going to be very much limited. Far greater than China or N.Korea.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
I believe that NWO 'rights' are going to be very much limited. Far greater than China or N.Korea.


What makes you think that? I don't see how you can expect what would essentially be a representative body to have the characteristics of a military dictatorship. Nobody's going to be Emperor. In fact, the NWO would be against any kind of totalitarian government, because it might create a situation where trade is blocked or resources are monopolized to such a degree that it causes problems for large groups of people. That's right OPEC, we're looking at you!

It just puzzles me how so many people are fearful of a Nazi Germany "1984" scenario with prison camps and mass enslavement. That kind of thing is terrible for business. The NWO is about making things work in better harmony. And that is going to require people being basically happy (at least as happy as they are now) so they can go to work and have their families and feel safe. What good is a New World Order with people rioting in the streets?

I've said before, I'm beginning to suspect that the people who are the most vehemently opposed to the NWO are likely involved in some kind of fishy, probably illegal activity like smoking/buying dope, cheating on their spouses or their taxes, prostitution, petty theft, and so on.

True, as the technology gets better so people can be tracked better, that kind of illegal monkey business is going to be harder to get away with. But it's crime. So it's a good thing to have that stuff curtailed. Also, the technology is going to be there anyway, NWO or not, and it would always be up to local police forces to take care of the local criminals anyway.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup

I don't see how you can expect what would essentially be a representative body to have the characteristics of a military dictatorship.


This is where we differ in our definition of NWO. First let me say, I don't completely believe in the NWO idea anyway, but if I were to entertain the idea, it would be one more inline with Alex Jones (whom I don't fully believe.)

I don't believe that there would be a representative body. I believe the whole thing would operate something resembling a cartel with military forces, whose purpose is to get labor for them at the cheapest if not free.


The NWO is about making things work in better harmony.


I think this is the sales pitch not the practice.


True, as the technology gets better so people can be tracked better, that kind of illegal monkey business is going to be harder to get away with. But it's crime.


The technology to track criminals can be a great thing, but in the hands of people who are out for power/control/self-interest then it can easily be abused. That is where things get scary.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
I absolutely consider myself a law abiding citizen, under the U.S. Constitution. Under NWO, losing my right to free speech, free choice and practice of faith, peaceable assembly, to own a gun (or 100), to own a home and land, and have a say in who makes the laws I will live under, then I will become a lawless criminal.


Where are you getting the idea that you will lose those freedoms? You appear to be looking at some improbable, fear mongering, paranoid, worst case scenerio. If you always think like that, then I would suggest that should you think about the worst case scenerio before you drive your car to work tomorrow and base your expectations off of that.

I guess in that case your breaks will fail, you'll kill 8 people, burn to death, explode, and wipe out 10 other people in the aftermath. Cars are very dangerous!




As a veteran, virtually all members of the armed forces would not fight against its own citizens to ensure the lost of their (citizens, military included) rights.


Were Jews citizens of Germany during the Holocaust? How about the killings under Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Jong Ill, etc... the list goes on and on.

Anyway, that doesn't matter.

When a world government roles around with a world wide military, the fighting that occurs will be against world citizens, will it not? It will be againsts humans. You seem to be stuck on some outdated idea of isolated sovereignty or national "club membership."

Quit acting like you are in a gang. That is very simplistic thinking aimed at differentiating people, and the cause of much violence. Get off of the school playground and come to the real world.

Humans are humans. National borders will become more of cultural concentration zones for purposes of isolated cultural development (living museums) and not the weird war mongering unstable political entities that they are today. Think of a federated union, like the USA. The USA would never work if each state had the ability to declare war or even secede as history has shown. The NWO wishes to reach a point where a world union is created where secession is not allowed (or possibly worked with). Unification and harmony is the goal.

World states will relinquish their rights (e.g right to declare war), just as the individual sovereign states in America did before they became part of the federated union titled "United States."

Nohup:


I've said before, I'm beginning to suspect that the people who are the most vehemently opposed to the NWO are likely involved in some kind of fishy, probably illegal activity like smoking/buying dope, cheating on their spouses or their taxes, prostitution, petty theft, and so on.


I agree with that, and I also think some of these people want privacy for privacy's sake and for no other reason at all. It's just an ideal they subscribe to. I've actually read some people on here say that a serial killer should have privacy. I can't see why this type of irrational idealism has entered into their minds except because of their driving force being fear and "what if."

I suspect that there is a certain degree of conditioning and brainwashing going on from conspiracy sites and certain quotes that play on emotion and idealism.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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And why shouldn't a serial killer have privacy?

He's killing people, I know... but so is the CIA, and they get tons of privacy.

The NWO, it's a love/hate thing. I hate it because I am human, and it goes against everything us humans, especially us Americanized humans, despise. No freedom of speech, no privacy, cashless society, no ability to be actively participating in your own system...

On the outside, it sounds really bad, because we're fearful of things we don't understand.

But what if human interests aren't really important, in the greater scheme of things? Someone having, let's say, galactic interests in mind, wouldn't necessarily identify with the interests of one species on one small planet. It would be percieved as evil and whatnot to us, and we would hate and fear it, and rationalize why our fear is justified, but keep in mind, solar systems and galaxies are destroyed every day. Not even galactic interest is of much interest to whoever/whatever controls the universe.

What if this NWO is of a greater architect than just man, and the few who are in the know ARE doing things, both what is considered good and what is considered bad, in humanity's own longterm survival interests?
We all want humanity to continue for generations. What if you found out that something beyond human comprehension threatens the very exisence of Earth, and the only way to make it through alive is to unite humanity as fast as possible, no matter how much they kick and scream?

Uniting humanity isn't all daisies and holding hands. People are stubborn, violent, private, and clostrophobic creatures. We are social to a point, but beyond that, we like our separation and our privacy and our differences.

So, the NWO has the task of uniting 7 billion people who fear their next door neighbors into a global family that works efficiently. Not too easy.

The easiest way to teach people is by showing them, so maybe all of this orchestrated chaos that we attribute to greed and cruelty is actually something like a global lesson plan. Maybe the NWO are our teachers, and should not be as feared and dispised as they have been.




[edit on 11-3-2008 by indierockalien]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by indierockalien
And why shouldn't a serial killer have privacy?


Serial killing.


[edit on 11-3-2008 by Mr. Ree]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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The NWO is about enslavement and mass-murder. The reduction of world population by 80-90% via starvation and bioweapons.
Great place to live in.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Ree
You seem to be stuck on some outdated idea of isolated sovereignty or national "club membership."


Couple of questions for you.
1) Are you something other than American?
2) Are you a Socialist/Communist?
3) Are you a Democrat?

The reason I ask is because if you answer yes to any of the above, then it would explain a lot. (In case you are speculative, I am Independent)

A nation keeping its sovereignty is hardly an outdated idea. It isn't in-line with the socialist/communist/far-left democrat mindset, so I could see you thinking it is outdated.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 01:50 AM
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Laws are easily made and require little reason.

Smokers for example... they are criminals are they not? But since when?

Drive withhout your seatbelt? Criminal also, but since when...

Most abortion laws were made by old men... many women broke those laws. Criminals! All criminals! Not any more though...

The legal system is fluid, the penal system is rigid. They are incompatible and have no room for logic or common sense..

Anything can be criminal, all that matters is whether or not it's constitutional.

The constitution is a living document... that is to say it can defend itself, and perpetuate itself as it calls out to the hearts of all free men.

The Illuminati doctrine does not. It is a dead document, and a soulless one that cannot spread itself. Women would flee at the sight of it and free men would take arms against it.

You are young and misguided. Go to war and come back, get some perspective on what it means to be hungry or controlled.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 07:49 AM
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Couple of questions for you.
1) Are you something other than American?
2) Are you a Socialist/Communist?
3) Are you a Democrat?


No, No, No.

I'm a New World Orderian. I don't recognize those out dated state systems. I'd go so far as to say that you don't even understand what they are too.


Originally posted by doctormcauley
Laws are easily made and require little reason.

Smokers for example... they are criminals are they not? But since when?


Since second hand smoke and poison directly affects the health of those around you.



Drive withhout your seatbelt? Criminal also, but since when...


Since wearing them reduces your chance of you dying in a wreck by nearly 50%.



Most abortion laws were made by old men... many women broke those laws. Criminals! All criminals! Not any more though...


Historically speaking, abortion has virtually always been legal.



Anything can be criminal, all that matters is whether or not it's constitutional.


Why are you so sure that the NWO does not have a constitution?



The Illuminati doctrine does not. It is a dead document, and a soulless one that cannot spread itself. Women would flee at the sight of it and free men would take arms against it.


What does that mean? Are you talking about Georgia guildstones and the protocols? Don't be ridiculous.



You are young and misguided. Go to war and come back, get some perspective on what it means to be hungry or controlled.


Quit talking out of your ass.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 08:09 AM
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This is my opinion: There definitely was/is a group of very smart people who are addressing future social/demographic/technologic/....
challenges that are standing before humanity. However, even if they conclusions are free of influence of multitude of "groups with certain interest" ,even if these people are genuinely interested in prosperity for all of humanity and want to insure its survival, even if they have sound moral values - i am concerned. Because the smarter the ideologists are - their mistakes are more damaging. Because if the main value of this group is "order" - it will end in high-tech somewhat luxurious prison. Because Utopias never worked and never will.
Lennon song is really nice and all, but its goals are unreachable. If this is the prophecy for what to come - then it will be no longer Humanity.
Enters Homo Collectivus.



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