The NWO is the greatest idea!

Originally posted by Mr. Ree

Couple of questions for you.
1) Are you something other than American?
2) Are you a Socialist/Communist?
3) Are you a Democrat?

No, No, No.

I'm a New World Orderian. I don't recognize those out dated state systems. I'd go so far as to say that you don't even understand what they are too.

Originally posted by doctormcauley
Laws are easily made and require little reason.

Smokers for example... they are criminals are they not? But since when?

Since second hand smoke and poison directly affects the health of those around you.

Drive withhout your seatbelt? Criminal also, but since when...

Since wearing them reduces your chance of you dying in a wreck by nearly 50%.

Most abortion laws were made by old men... many women broke those laws. Criminals! All criminals! Not any more though...

Historically speaking, abortion has virtually always been legal.

Anything can be criminal, all that matters is whether or not it's constitutional.

Why are you so sure that the NWO does not have a constitution?

The Illuminati doctrine does not. It is a dead document, and a soulless one that cannot spread itself. Women would flee at the sight of it and free men would take arms against it.

What does that mean? Are you talking about Georgia guildstones and the protocols? Don't be ridiculous.

You are young and misguided. Go to war and come back, get some perspective on what it means to be hungry or controlled.

Quit talking out of your ass.

[edit on 12-3-2008 by Chilibones]

You are just angry because you know you are WRONG and I am Right.

You can't even defend your thesis. What a moron?

You have no Idea what life is like under military occupation or martial law and you are trying to tell everyone how wonderful it is and how humanity will be made all the better for losing their freedoms, individuality and human rights...

You are a perfect example of State Indoctrination done correctly.

I pity you. You could have been so much more...

Originally posted by Nohup

I've said before, I'm beginning to suspect that the people who are the most vehemently opposed to the NWO are likely involved in some kind of fishy, probably illegal activity like smoking/buying dope, cheating on their spouses or their taxes, prostitution, petty theft, and so on.

Ah, the old "if you're not with the program, you must be a criminal, at least at heart", approach. So the idea from it's start is one that smears anyone that opposes the NWO. And notice the choice of words here. No mention of artists, or the mentally "different", or of religious beliefs. Will those type just be cleansed till we have no one like Mozart or Elvis, no Budda or Jesus, no van Gogh or Pablo Picasso, no one with autism or Downs?

In such mega societies it seems as if conformity is the rule, and all others are criminals. To even oppose such ideas brands one as the lowest form of criminal, on par with those listed above. And a perfect society can't have even the hint of that.

I guess you can put me in the criminal element right now.

Originally posted by doctormcauley
You are just angry because you know you are WRONG and I am Right.

You can't even defend your thesis. What a moron?

You have no Idea what life is like under military occupation or martial law and you are trying to tell everyone how wonderful it is and how humanity will be made all the better for losing their freedoms, individuality and human rights...

You are a perfect example of State Indoctrination done correctly.

I pity you. You could have been so much more...

"You are angry" "I am right" "you are wrong"

What kind of juvenile crap is that? Oh, it's the same juvenile crap that makes people believe they are victims of society.

You have no Idea what life is like under military occupation or martial law

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Originally posted by NGC2736
Ah, the old "if you're not with the program, you must be a criminal, at least at heart", approach. So the idea from it's start is one that smears anyone that opposes the NWO. And notice the choice of words here. No mention of artists, or the mentally "different", or of religious beliefs. Will those type just be cleansed till we have no one like Mozart or Elvis, no Budda or Jesus, no van Gogh or Pablo Picasso, no one with autism or Downs?

In such mega societies it seems as if conformity is the rule, and all others are criminals. To even oppose such ideas brands one as the lowest form of criminal, on par with those listed above. And a perfect society can't have even the hint of that.

I guess you can put me in the criminal element right now.

It's true isn't it? If you are not with the program (i.e. law) you are a criminal.

When you exagerate into infinity about restrictions and taking away of personal liberties - which, as far as I have seen here on ATS, include the liberty to speed, the liberty of suicide, the liberty to poison, kill, and rape other people. The liberty if being an anonymous citizen, the liberty to drink and drive, outrun the cops, the liberty to shoplift, to mug people, and last but not least the liberty to own paper fiat money.

All I see here is people adopting the stance of liberty for the sake of liberty. That's called anarchy, and it seems to be a knee jerk reaction to a perceived totalitarian NWO, which couldn't be further from the truth.

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My liberty to swing my fist ends where another person's nose begins. Liberty is not a concept that is to be controlled by a certain set of people, or it is not liberty, but a shadow of that fine concept.

You want safety, and confuse it with order, or so it seems from your writing. Living is not a safe occupation. Many who chose safety over freedom do so because it allows the illusion of living without the risks of progress through undeniably risky steps.

I hope you get your NWO. It will be another small enclave like North Korea where everyone is safe as long as they bow and scrape to those with power. The rest of the human race will continue it's uneven and risky march to the stars.

Originally posted by Wolf321

I think an urban, liberal mentality will have to overtake the nation (USA) before Americans are ok with turning over their sovereignty to a multi-national government. Hence so many people now who would be happy to see the US out of the UN, and the outrage over the NAFTA superhighway, NAU conspiracies.

Let me explain something that you anti-NWO pundits are obviously are not grasping.

Very shortly after the declaration of independence created thirteen sovereign nations, that they unified themselves under a then multi-national government. They gave up their right to declare war with each other, create alliances with other countries, treaties, etc...

The United States is a Union. Canada was created as a Union of three British provinces, and Mexico's constitutions first article reads:

Article 1. Every person in the United Mexican States shall enjoy the guarantees granted by this Constitution, which cannot be restricted or suspended except in such cases and under such conditions as are herein provided.

Mexico was formed of something like 20 sovereign States, and a number of terratories. Virtually every "country" on Earth today was at once a divided collection of smaller sovereign entities with one goal in mind - to unify together under a central authority for safety, prosperity, and defense. We are out a point where nationalism, patriotism and the clinging to sovereignty (i.e political stagnation) causes world wars, nationalism, terror attacks, and worst of all - uncertainty and distrust between countries, people and their government, and vice versa.

Political structures do not, and have never remained stagnant. National sovereignty and extreme patriotism is no better than the attitude of National Socialism (Nazi), and it results in civil war between elements within a united state and war between completely sovereign states.

The EU is somewhat like the first US constitution, the articles of confederation. It is a large confederated union that is the forerunner for a stronger federated EU. As of now, it is nothing but a transparent political structure with no real powers, much like the UN. Let me tell you, and it is already obvious: Historically speaking, confederated unions have never worked well.

What is happening is a natural political and social evolution. The NWO will be the end result of that when the entire world (or at least most of it) is unified under a strong central authority. The UN will change into a stronger central federal authority that can get the job done by being able to enforce it's decisions. After a time, perhaps a constitution of United World States will be adopted - Federation Earth.

And we will have it, by conquest or consent, because I believe in something greater than myself: A better world. But I'm not going to live there - there is no place for me there, any more than there is for you.

I'm a monster. An agent. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it - but it must be done.

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
I'm a monster. An agent. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it - but it must be done.

I was about to waste a good amount of time trying to explain the differences between the 13 colonies becoming United States and your NWO, but after seeing this line you summed up what a futile effort that would be. Thanks, I suppose.

By the way, when your NWO comes trying to take my guns, and force your borg collective style of thinking down my throat, expect a fight, not just from me but from all independent freedom loving Americans. Fighting to not live in that sort of world is what America was founded on. And if there is no place on the planet where men can live free, I will gladly fight to the death trying to bring freedoms back. And if it turns out your NWO has the forces to kill off everyone who thinks like me, I hope you enjoy whatever 'place' they tell you that you belong. Somehow I don't think you would enjoy living in your time-locked, tofu rationed, penny-wage, sit-on-command world.

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
I'm a monster. An agent. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it - but it must be done.

I was about to waste a good amount of time trying to explain the differences between the 13 colonies becoming United States and your NWO, but after seeing this line you summed up what a futile effort that would be. Thanks, I suppose.

By the way, when your NWO comes trying to take my guns, and force your borg collective style of thinking down my throat, expect a fight, not just from me but from all independent freedom loving Americans. Fighting to not live in that sort of world is what America was founded on. And if there is no place on the planet where men can live free, I will gladly fight to the death trying to bring freedoms back. And if it turns out your NWO has the forces to kill off everyone who thinks like me, I hope you enjoy whatever 'place' they tell you that you belong. Somehow I don't think you would enjoy living in your time-locked, tofu rationed, penny-wage, sit-on-command world.

You have no recourse. You will not be able to stop the natural progression.

The funny thing is that you would have many more rights, liberties, security, and safety in the NWO.

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
The funny thing is that you would have many more rights, liberties, security, and safety in the NWO.

Under your NWO, security=lack of privacy, individual homes monitored to the point that if you were observed eating something deemed non-healthy you would be instantly fined or punished. And no, my believe in individual privacy does not account for a criminal element.

I would be curious as to how and what "more rights, liberties" we would have when speech, and gun rights are limited or non-existent. Please elaborate on this.

I do agree that there is a progression towards your NWO. You can see it in little things, like NAFTA, and the recent laws that will ban incandesent lights in 2012. It doesn't mean that NWO it will happen. The things that the concept of America represents are completely against all the things that the NWO represent. If all these small things manage to change the American mindset over time, there might not be any resistance for your NWO. But I think that would be long after my time or yours. There are key elements to American liberties that your NWO would be totally against, things that Americans will fight for. Things that they will fight for by voting and protesting long before your NWO would come into power and the need for physical violence is warranted.

[edit on 12-3-2008 by Wolf321]

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Yes while the money system is distributed amongst the elite and the poor work for 4 pieces of bread and 1 gallon of water. Science experiments will be done on prisoners, and people who will refuse to cooperate. Yes Mr. Ree this sounds like a deliteful world to live in. Taking orders from evil doers. They could use the militaries to destroy a vast amount of world population so the resources can be used as an endless supply.

Have you lost your mind?!

People lost their lives in WW1, WW2, etc. just so they can stay independent. Need I mention that the Rothschild family was funding the German side and the American side. Yes very great indeed! let's kill 2/3 of this world so they can have what they wanted. Well if it is like that they will have to enslave me over my dead body.

It will be a turn for evolution with a great big revolution!

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
The funny thing is that you would have many more rights, liberties, security, and safety in the NWO.

Under your NWO, security=lack of privacy, individual homes monitored to the point that if you were observed eating something deemed non-healthy you would be instantly fined or punished. And no, my believe in individual privacy does not account for a criminal element.

I would be curious as to how and what "more rights, liberties" we would have when speech, and gun rights are limited or non-existent. Please elaborate on this.
[edit on 12-3-2008 by Wolf321]

You've already given up tons of liberties by living in a modern society. There are many things that you can not do, and many more where you need permission. You can't kill other people, walk around naked, rape women and children, sodomize animals, etc... You must pay taxes, get licenses for cars, gun, property - all things which can be denied, and taken from you by government for the good of the whole (well, mostly).

Go live in the woods if you don't believe me. You actually gain choice and freedom while in a society - but not natural freedoms. They are artificial. You give up certain abilities (mostly deemed illegal) while you function in a society. Yet, you gain many new choices and abilities - medicine, fast transportation, safety, security, food, shelter, conversation, knowledge, science, philosophy, internet, technology, etc...

But, now that you do live in society you are more suseptible to muggings, rape, vehicular homicide (and everything else that is outlawed because you are suseptible to it) Why? because criminals have the liberty to remain anonymous and the liberty to rape, mame, steal, abuse, and destroy. Under an NWO where criminals (and you) are tracked, put into DNA and biometric databases and monitored, you will gain the ability and freedom of being more safe and secure in your persons. The potential victims among us will no longer have to worry about being mugged on the street, having their ID stolen, or having their car stolen forever - it will be virtually impossible to get away with it. With an automated road system, wrecks will be a mostly forgotten concept.

You don't live in the woods any longer. You are not a loner, but a member. It is for your safety and everyone elses - it is cooperation, and you have given up your natural liberties (consume what you want whereever and whenever, to murder, rape, pillage, kill, and plunder) and choices by becoming and maintaining your membership in society.

If you want privacy so much, why not go live alone in the woods? Something tells me you are not being very practical. You are being tracked today as you make ATM transactions, walk out of your house, drive your car, make phone calls, send email, report to work, use your credit/debit card... You are seen on probably hundreds of cameras per day.

How does that really affect you? It doesn't

How does it affect a criminal? It does.

individual homes monitored to the point that if you were observed eating something deemed non-healthy you would be instantly fined or punished.

Only if it got to the point where you became unhealthy. It would be mandated just as physical fitness in the military is. Most would be indoctrinated as to the benefits of remaining healthy and social pressure would account for the obese. Being obese and unhealthy isn't a very good argument for liberty. I don't think homes (in reality it would probably just be your toilet ) would be monitored as much as your health insurance company would make decisions based on your health, just as they do today.

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I agree with only 40% of all stuff you were talking about.

Actually the world of the law is what I dream about. But on the other hand there always will be some group of people like the government who will use it for their own goals. If there are the banks it means someone owns them so this person already has more power than every body esle. That's not fair at all if this happens in the world like was described in the first post here.

I would like to live in the state that could have a special law which allows to arrest people who are full of shi.t !

A global government wouldn't be that bad. Would be alot less violence,thats for sure.

I mean hey, the US is basically a local global government, of small countries ( like states.)

Works fine.

Originally posted by NGC2736
And notice the choice of words here. No mention of artists, or the mentally "different", or of religious beliefs. Will those type just be cleansed till we have no one like Mozart or Elvis, no Budda or Jesus, no van Gogh or Pablo Picasso, no one with autism or Downs?

That's right. No mention of them, because those aren't crimes, so the NWO wouldn't be interested. I think you have somehow confused the NWO with Nazi Germany or some fictional dystopia you might have seen on Stargate SG-1.

In such mega societies it seems as if conformity is the rule, and all others are criminals. To even oppose such ideas brands one as the lowest form of criminal, on par with those listed above. And a perfect society can't have even the hint of that.

If you want to put up your own straw man to fight, that's fine. Actually, a strong "mega-society" as you put it (you mean like, I don't know, the current global society?), must encourage creativity, since creativity is recognized as critically important to innovation and improvement in new and existing systems. Without creativity and innovation, all you get is stagnation. The NWO doesn't want that. It wants progress and optimization. So relax. Nobody's coming to get you if you decide to worship your cat or paint pictures of angels. There's a good market for angel pictures.

Now, if you need to buy illegal drugs to get the "inspiration" to paint those pictures, or your cat convinces you to bomb an office building, then the NWO might have a bone to pick with you. But again, it won't even be the NWO coming to talk with you about it. Just like now, it will be your local law enforcement, treating you just like they currently treat illegal drug users or mad bombers. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

I guess you can put me in the criminal element right now.

You sound a bit paranoid, in my humble opinion. Relax. The NWO needs your genius and is going to encourage it.

Technically we already have a NWO.

A global entity of many governments working in unison under a central bank and trading program.

Ain't too bad right now, is it?

Originally posted by Mr. Ree
You don't live in the woods any longer. You are not a loner, but a member.

Correction, I am an individual. I am not part or or will be a part of this conceptual borg collective you describe that takes away free thought, speech, religion, self defense and utterly free will.

Only if it got to the point where you became unhealthy.

Ask 10 people in 10 cites what they deem healthy and unhealthy and you will get 100 different answers. Do you honestly thing that the NWO would allow things that could lead to 'unhealthyness' to even be allowed for people to be consumed?

I will concede that some of the things you describe in you concept of NWO would be beneficial. However, those are things that can occur from technological progress alone without revoking constitutional rights. The idea of integrated smart highways and vehicles that utilize the technologies you describe are what I envision the future without your NWO would be like.

It seems you may have been swept away by the technology and sci-fi aspect of this whole thing.

Originally posted by Nohup The NWO needs your genius and is going to encourage it.

This is such a misconception. That the NWO will exist to make things better for everyone. Better is relative. Genius, not directed towards the goal of the NWO will be stopped. How many reports have you read about scientist creating new technology such as cars that don't run on gas but something more readily available and cheaper or free, then they die in an accident? Same for artist, you think in a NWO that art or music that is contrary to the goals of NWO government will be allowed?

I'm really surprised as to how many people I have seen here speak out on behalf of the NWO. I have also noticed that there are differences in concepts of what the NWO will be. I don't think that it will be a nice thing. If it were something that were so great and everyone would benefit from it, it wouldn't be orchestrated by rich, powerful elite in secret. If it were so great everyone would want it, they would market it like a Manifest Destiny and everyone would be rushing to usher it in.

Originally posted by Holygamer
Technically we already have a NWO. A global entity of many governments working in unison under a central bank and trading program. Ain't too bad right now, is it?

The biggest problem with it at the moment is that like the U.N., it has no particular official power and resources to adequately deal with events and activities that can interrupt trade or cause widespread misery to a lot of people. Currently, if a country decides to export terrorism or pollute large chunks of the environment, it falls on a few larger countries to try to deal with the problem.

Of course, you may think that in a highly integrated global society all individual countries have a "God given" right to do whatever the hell they want, no matter how many millions of people might die or be put out of work because of it. Again, this notion of freedom to do what you want regardless what happens to others. Freedom from responsibility? Personally, I'm not keen on it.