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Topic started on 10-3-2008 @ 07:21 PM by Conspiracy Theorist

Israel plans 'scandalous' new settlement


www.news.com.au
ISRAEL unveiled plans for a new settlement in annexed east Jerusalem, triggering a chorus of world criticism and warnings it could hamper efforts to restart faltering peace talks.

The project for 400 homes in the Neve Yaacov neighbourhood was announced by the Jerusalem authorities on the heels of plans to build hundreds of new housing units in a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank.
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reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 07:56 PM by Dubyakadubla
The Self-Destruction of Israel

Israel's strongest supporters are bringing it to destruction.

* The militarist and virulent nationalist government of Israel is leading its nation into military confrontations and oppressive actions that have no end.
* The large American religious right provides moral and financial assistance to Israel and influences the U.S. congress to approve Israel's policies. This destructive religious force intensifies Israel's conflict with the Moslem world and encourages settlements that provoke terrorist actions against Israel.
* The U.S. government uses its veto to prevent UN Security Council resolutions from restraining Israel's destructive practices. Military and financial assistance support Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people. America's policies fuel the conflagration, drive Israel into deeper conflict with Arab nations and augment world hostility against Israel.
* The Israel Lobby and a legion of Israel followers divert attention from Israel's oppressive operations and influence political groups, national leaders and populations to support Israel. Their support encourages Israel to increase its militancy, which decreases its attention to growing internal problems and isolation from an angered world.

The four forces give Israel the sustenance it needs to pursue its policies. They also mold minds by media campaigns and repetitive propaganda that falsify history. A critical appraisal of the fallacies that shaped the agendas of the "four horsemen of the apocalypse" explains the development of the misguided policies that are endangering Israel's existence. The propaganda efforts started with the Zionist movement.

The Zionist Movement
Note: In this article, Zionism will mean Political Zionism, which advocated a homeland for Jews.

The Israeli government and the large camp of Israel followers pose as heirs to the Zionist experience and consider that experience as a guide to structuring present-day Israel.

Rather than benefiting world Jewry, the Zionist message endangered it.
Nations were uncertain about Jewish citizens, who were regarded by Zionists to have different consciences and different mind-sets then their fellow citizens. Zionism presented Jews as having allegiance to an external ideal, willing to leave their native country if the opportunity became available.

Statistics show the Zionist adventure didn't progress rapidly. The Jewish population in Ottoman Empire Palestine increased by only 60,000 between 1889 and 1914.

The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire changed the situation.

The Western Invasion
Understated, if not hidden from history, is the actual root of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict - the economic havoc that the entry of Jews brought to the Arab population.

www.alternativeinsight.com...


reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 08:24 PM by Conspiracy Theorist
reply to post by themillersdaughter




Seriously, what are we to do? How can we stop them? I feel pretty powerless, myself.


Israel cannot be stopped. So pretty much all you can do is be outraged at the arrogance of the Israeli Government.

CT


reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 09:28 PM by deadbang
reply to post by Conspiracy Theorist


Why be outraged at just one party/side? Both are complicit in these events...if you want true peace, Tell the Israelis to quit building in unauthorized areas, and have the Palestinians or Hamas stop throwing rockets around.

As long as Israel is dodging rockets, they will continue to build or attempt to build buffer zones, this just fuels Hamas to fire more rockets...and it keeps going...

Blaming Israel is just seeing one side of the conflict.


reply posted on 10-3-2008 @ 09:53 PM by Conspiracy Theorist
reply to post by deadbang




Why be outraged at just one party/side? Both are complicit in these events


This is true. BUT. I would expect the modern industrialised nation state of Israel to take the moral high ground in a situation like this one.


As long as Israel is dodging rockets, they will continue to build or attempt to build buffer zones, this just fuels Hamas to fire more rockets...and it keeps going...


They are not building a buffer zone. They are building a settlement. A place for people to live. Or in reality, a target for those rockets. Its like they are fishing for terrorism. Dangling bait in front of Hamas, daring them to strike, so when they do, Israel will respond with more settlements.


Originally posted by marg6043
I am sorry but this seems like an agenda at the expenses of both nations populations.


Just wanted to clarify that only one nation is involved. Palestine is not a country, and neither is Hamas.


CT


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 06:44 PM by AnAbsoluteCreation
Originally posted by deadbang
reply to
post by Conspiracy Theorist


Why be outraged at just one party/side? Both are complicit in these events...if you want true peace, Tell the Israelis to quit building in unauthorized areas, and have the Palestinians or Hamas stop throwing rockets around.

As long as Israel is dodging rockets, they will continue to build or attempt to build buffer zones, this just fuels Hamas to fire more rockets...and it keeps going...

Blaming Israel is just seeing one side of the conflict.

Wrong

Not blaming Israel means you're only seeing one side. One action is furling the other, duh? I mean,

You're saying that if Militants stop throwing rockets, then Israel will stop trying to spread all the way to the rivers?

Israel is going to spread no matter what. (and the bible tells me so...) Sing along!

And they will continue to instigate the palestinians so that when they retaliate, Israel can shine their vilifying spotlight on it and pass it to all the media heads.

Thanks for bringing up both sides though.

AAC


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 07:44 PM by deadbang
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation



Absolute, thanks for trying to spin my response, but I don't need the help.
I didn't not blame Israel, nor did I blame only Palestine, take the chip off your shoulder man.

I said "Why be outraged at just one party/side? Both are complicit in these events" and both sides are complicit.

Israel IS although erringly trying to build buffers between them and the rockets, it won't work...
Just as erringly Palestine through Hamas thinks that if you keep lobbing rockets over the border eventually Israel will pack up and leave...won't happen either.

I do see both sides of the conflict and both parties are wrong...not just one side...why don't you try taking the blinkers off and stop with the propaganda.



reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 07:51 PM by deadbang
reply to post by TheWalkingFox


So your saying that when the PA or Hamas sends in a suicide bomber or fires a rocket into Israel....thats not breaking the peace?

So let me see if I have this right, in your world, if both sides act aggressively towards each other, only one is culpable?

how is it you decide which one?..is it just the one that YOU don't like?


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 07:51 PM by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by deadbang



Because all things considered, you should be more outraged with Israel. They are the oppressors of the region. They are doing to the palestinians the same thing the Gastapo did to them in Nazi Germany before they were sent to the gas chambers.

Oppression fuels reaction. Terrorism or Freedom fighting.

RE: 44soulslayer

And the reason they don't kill everyone, is because the world would see their evil horns in public, not just in private anymore.

AAC

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reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 08:05 PM by deadbang
reply to post by AnAbsoluteCreation



Your still only attributing this whole conflict to one side...and I don't buy for a second the Israel should be held to a higher standard argument...thats bias! and completely gives the PA a pass on their actions...their both at fault!

I wish my parents had subscribed to your line of thinking, my older brother used to kick my ass when we were boys, with your line of reasoning I wouldn't have gotten my ass beat along with him when we fought... he's older and was stronger and meaner at the time, therfore he should have been punished not me!...

That lawn dart I threw at him one time was just me trying to make him treat me with some respect...right??


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 08:16 PM by Conspiracy Theorist
reply to post by deadbang




I wish my parents had subscribed to your line of thinking, my older brother used to kick my ass when we were boys, with your line of reasoning I wouldn't have gotten my ass beat along with him when we fought...


Your example is only apt if your parents gave your bigger stronger brother your bedroom and moved you into a corner in the bathroom.

CT


reply posted on 11-3-2008 @ 08:54 PM by deadbang
reply to post by Conspiracy Theorist




I see your line of thinking and to a degree I can agree with it...but the blame would be to my parents, correct?...or is this another issue of Israel shoould be held to higher standard, and should have told Britian/UN ...nah, we can do without.

starred and flagged for your analogy, don't 100% agree, but I liked it.


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