What would prove to you that 9/11 was not a conspiracy?, page 3
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reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:38 AM by KMFNWO
reply to post by ULTIMA1



Fair answer - and I don't think it was a laser beam from planet X, but I have my doubts as to it being a plane, and if that is the case then - we have been lied to - and therefore "we have a Conspiracy"


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:41 AM by KMFNWO
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Need to see if there are any other cases when DNA was irretrievable from aircraft crashes, or where no bodies were ever recovered, and I don't mean the Bermuda triangle.



reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 12:43 AM by ULTIMA1
Originally posted by KMFNWO
Fair answer - and I don't think it was a laser beam from planet X, but I have my doubts as to it being a plane, and if that is the case then - we have been lied to - and therefore "we have a Conspiracy"


Well actually the official story is a conspiracy theory since it is based on a conspiracy (terrorist planning and hijacking planes)

Originally posted by KMFNWO
Need to see if there are any other cases when DNA was irretrievable from aircraft crashes, or where no bodies were ever recovered, and I don't mean the Bermuda triangle.


www.nist.gov...
Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.

In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002.




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reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 01:17 AM by jackinthebox
If by "conspiracy" the OP is actually referring to a level of complicity or even intent, by factions operating within our politico-economic system, I would simply have to say that the question posed is illogical and impossible to answer. The conspiracy has already been proven to exist, through the deliberate attempts by those in power to obfuscate the facts of the matter.

Portions of the "official" version have already been proven to be wrong, without any correction ever being made. When those who we trusted and relied upon to give us an accurate version of events, are proven to have lied, then their entire version of events is no longer credible.

Let me make an example. It is not illegal to bury a dead body. But if you decide to bury a person who has been killed as the result of a crime (murder/manslaughter) without the facts of the death being reported first, then you become complicit in the crime itself.

So this is where we stand now. At the very least, large factions of our national leadership are complicit in the crimes perpetrated on 9/11 due to their precise and deliberate obfuscation of the facts. It stands to reason that the reason for this complicity, might well be motivated by the desire to prevent further culpability on their part from being determined.

At this point, there is an impending need for a thorough and independent investigation to be carried out, to determine the precise facts of the events themselves, the circumstances surrounding the attacks, and the deliberate nature of the flawed investigation which followed. Such an investigation would require that all evidence held by any government agency and/or private entity involved in the initital investigation, be opened without hinderance to the scrutiny of a large number of investigatiors who had been thoroughly vetted to substantiate their own impartiality.

In short, when the government lied, they lost all privilege to withold evidence for any reason, even those claimed to be in the interests of national seurity.






reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 03:31 AM by jackinthebox
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Star for your post, except for this...

But I lean to neither side. Both have failed to provide enough evidence or strong argument.


It is up to the government to prove to us what happened. If you doubt what they have told us, then there is a domestic conspiracy surrounding 9/11. You don't have to sign-on to every wacky CT in the book, but you have to at least consider them.

I myself do not have one entirely complete and detailed theory about 9/11, but there is a theme that runs through all of them. And that is that the our government has lied to us, not to protect us, but to harm us further.



reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 05:05 AM by Devino
As per your title, proof that it was an accident would do it. Since there is proof that more then one person intentionally planned it out makes it a conspiracy.

Originally posted by Now_Then

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s) n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
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Look at point 3, now we all know more than one person was involved... Ergo it is a conspiracy.


Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well actually the official story is a conspiracy theory since it is based on a conspiracy (terrorist planning and hijacking planes)


I'm glad not to be the only one who sees this for what it is. It seems far too many ignore the definition of the word conspiracy. What else are they ignoring? To me this shows evidence of believing what is told and not what is seen.

Originally posted by Dmantex
Lets assume for the pupose of this discusion that the September 11th attacks were not a government conspiracy. What would it take to prove it to you?


Irrefutable evidence of all the people involved would do it for me, as long as the evidence does not implicate the US government of course.


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 06:45 AM by ULTIMA1
www.rawstory.com...

Under Fire! U.S. Army Intelligence Analyst Targeted For Suggesting New Independent 9/11 Investigation.

Army: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is ‘Disloyal To The United States’



reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 10:18 AM by cams
Originally posted by Dmantex
What would prove to you that 9/11 was not a conspiracy?


Well it certainly wouldn't be another damn bin Laden video.

Seriously, like many, sadly I'm well past being convinced that 9/11 wasn't an inside job. For many months I actually tried to convince myself that perhaps truthers were wrong and that Muslim extremists really did hate our freedoms enough to kill nearly 3000 innocent people (instead of targeting the very people who dictate foreign policy?) Not that terrorists and terrorism doesn't exist of course - I did live in Sri Lanka for 12 months where all of the bombings were presumably carried out by the Tamil Tigers (who incidentally are Hindu, not Muslim).

It would be much easier not to have to contemplate the evils of this presumed false flag event and pretend that or 'leaders' really do look out for our best interests.

In a way though I'm glad I stayed with the 'tin-foil hat' wearing brigade as so much information has come to light that I believe I'm actually a better person for it.

It is pretty obvious that we have been lied to for many many years as all one has to do is visit the US patent office (eg the suppression of medical and alternative energy solutions).

As a bonus, the hair I was losing is now growing back (thanks to Dr Robert Beck - and the US patent office). Couldn't be happier notwithstanding the circumstances we all find ourselves in.

ie New WORLD Order....

RIP Bill Cooper, Phil Schneider, Stan Meyer, Dr Robert Beck etc etc

Best wishes to all.....


reply posted on 9-3-2008 @ 11:02 AM by Whodunnit
Originally posted by KMFNWO
Explain this photo...

farm4.static.flickr.com...



The diagram is wrong, the plane hit below on the first floor, where all the damage can be seen. Makes better sense, yeah?

You've been lied to if someone told you that was where the planes hit.
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