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Next on School Agenda: Teaching Communism

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posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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Next on School Agenda: Teaching Communism


www.worldnetdaily.com

A new plan by a California lawmaker would allow schools to be used to promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, and let teachers in public district classrooms "inculcate in the mind of any pupil a preference for communism," according to a traditional values advocacy organization.

"Just when we thought the indoctrination in California's public schools couldn't get any worse, state lawmakers introduce bills that will further brainwash innocent children," said a statement from Capitol Resource Institute, a traditional values and family advocacy organization based in California
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posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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Where the hell do these people come from? Perhaps he should try to pass through teaching Fascism as a great thing, since that's what our gov is leaning more and more towards. I won't be suprised if that's proposed next...

www.worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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This makes no sense DD, when I was in college I back in the late 70s in my system of government studies we covered all the type of governments from democracy to socialism, communism, dictatorship you name it.

And we also covered some of this type of governments in high school when the first classes about government studies were introduced.

I didn't know that this was taken out of schools after I graduated from high school.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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Public schools have been teaching socialism and communism as the better way to go for decades now. If your kid is smart enough to keep his own mind through elementary school and high school they have another chance to get lose it in college.

The country is going toward fascism? The country is going toward control. Whether you need to let the government run your life and keep track of your every movement for "national security" reasons or "universal healthcare" reasons it doesn't matter. The end is the same. Total control.

We've got two groups of idiots in this country fighting over which disguise the control will come in. One wants to pretend it's for our own safety another wants to pretend it's for societies well-being.

The tell is both sides want us all disarmed, all entered into some grand database, all dependent, and all passive.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:45 PM
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What is wrong with teaching/providing information about a closed economic system?

What brand of Communism are they supposedly teaching?

In this instance, should Communism be called Totalitarianism?



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:50 PM
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It never was Marg. Schools still teach different ideologies to students, giving them a whole wide of views besides Democracy and capitalism.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 01:56 PM
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Ok, but then what is the issue then with the article, if the studies has been always in the school system why making a big deal now.

It sounds like propaganda to me I think, looks like the issue here is about keeping children from learning about other system of government than brainwashing.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:00 PM
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I agree, this is nothing more than another control mechanism - what's wrong with teaching kids about different ideologies?
Within reason of course.

Then again, the article stated that they were being taught how to overthrow the government.
In the case of bush, would that be such a bad thing?



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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here is a link to the contents of the bill

Bill

from what I can gather, the main issue is the "indoctrination" line that has people up in arms. Or at least, these people.

To me, the rest of the bill seems to make sense. Protecting peoples right to choose a poltical party and not lose their jobs because of that choice, etc etc etc.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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Then again, the article stated that they were being taught how to overthrow the government.
In the case of bush, would that be such a bad thing?


Not exactly


From the source i listed above


Under existing law, a public employee is required to answer,
under oath, specified questions, including, but not limited to,
knowing membership in an organization advocating the forceful or
violent overthrow of the government of the United States or of any
state.
This bill would delete these provisions.


Edit: quoted bud for clarity

[edit on 5-3-2008 by InSpiteOf]



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Yeah, I guess I actually should not be up in arms over this-as our current "Democracy" based system is an absolute joke. I think the 'indoctrination' part is what peeved me a little...Sort of how we were all indoctrinated to believe in democracy, when in reality it's nothing more than an illusion bestowed upon us by our leaders.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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Oh
my
God!

Are we teaching kids stuff now?!? What the hell? I thought we were supposed to just tell them the stuff they need to know and that's it!

I mean, we all in American know that we have it the right way. Why bother teaching anything else? That's just plain dangerous.

/endsarcasm

Who cares? Teach fascism, teach free market trade, teach democracy, communism, socialism... teach it all.

Teach the kids why all of them suck in their own way and none of them ever really work.


said a statement from Capitol Resource Institute, a traditional values and family advocacy organization based in California


And anytime you see a quote from someone with "values and family advocacy" that really means religious nut who's got an agenda. Disregard the comments that follow or precede any statement made by one.

[edit on 5-3-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Thanks for posting the bill.
Perhaps I should clarify.
When I said about the overthrow of government I was talking about the article in the OP - even though it's sensationalist, I felt that part of the OP worth commenting on.


Hope that makes sense.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Hey, I understand, I was thrown a curve ball when i read the worldnutdaily article too, but the bill itself isnt as bad as the article painted it to be (suprise suprise!)

And besides, all the bill is suggesting is that Communism be allowed the same chance of indoctination as Democracy, Fascim, Corporatism, Socialism, etc etc etc. Its not saying teachers MUST indoctrinate kids with Communist theories.

[edit on 5-3-2008 by InSpiteOf]



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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No problem, when I saw the source I knew something had to be skewed.

BTW, I did understand you were quoting the OP article, but felt it necessary to provide clarity to anyone who may simply glance at the thread, and take it out of context.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Why make a big deal out of it? Well remember that parents (not all parents) tend to prefer that their kids are taught differently then what it should be taught. Parents don't want kids to see this particular movie, learn this particular subject, etc. For example about God and Charles Darwin. If the child comes home telling their parents what their teacher taught, well then you be seeing that pissed off parent the next day. Not to mention talking to the Principal.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:32 PM
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Obama, Clinton or Marx?

Who do you suppose would be ahead in the democratic primaries?



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by InSpiteOf
And besides, all the bill is suggesting is that Communism be allowed the same chance of indoctination as Democracy, Fascim, Corporatism, Socialism, etc etc etc. Its not saying teachers MUST indoctrinate kids with Communist theories.

Are most of you brainwashed or what?
Schools should only promote democracy and capitalism; we are in America after all.

Of course the schools should teach the kids what the other ideologies are but they should not be taught they are just as good as democracy and capitalism. The kids should know these other ideologies are failed attempts and do nothing but suppress the people.

I wonder if they still teach that America, the land of democracy and capitalism actually fought with spilled blood in the past to push back and stop the spead of communism, fascism and socialism.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan
Schools should only promote democracy and capitalism; we are in America after all.


I live in Canada



Of course the schools should teach the kids what the other ideologies are but they should not be taught they are just as good as democracy and capitalism.


And the bill says absolutly nothing about the course content or what light Communism can or will be taught in.

You didnt actually read the bill did you?



The kids should know these other ideologies are failed attempts and do nothing but suppress the people.


The kids should know the truth and be taught a fair and honest representation of what communism started out as, and what it ended as. (A peoples revolution against an oppression regime (supported by the west) which turned into a totalitarian government that betrayed everything the revolution stood for.)



I wonder if they still teach that America, the land of democracy and capitalism actually fought with spilled blood in the past to push back and stop the spead of communism, fascism and socialism.


I wonder if they teach that America, the land of democracy and captailism acutally fought the peasent uprising that was the Red Revolution. I wonder if Americans are taught the bloody history of US intervension; I wonder if they are told about the CIA owned School for the America's a well known institute for training jackbooted death-squad troops and torturers. I wonder if Americans are taught about what the threat of Communism REALLY was; a threat to the existing social order of CAPTIAL ACCUMULATION.


We are all brainwashed to one degree or another.



posted on Mar, 5 2008 @ 02:43 PM
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Ah yes, classic indoctrination - we believe in these things therefore everyone else who lives here must.

Does that also apply to religion?

Isn't what you said contrary to the basic tenets of democracy?



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