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reply posted on 5-3-2008 @ 04:08 PM by ZOOMER
I will add this. Ships have always had incinerators aboard to burn classified material such as messages from the Radio Shack that have no other use at the time. I have seen these giant "stoves", you can walk
inside them, and they will hold an awful lot of whatever you put into them.

Also, the navy doesn't wait until night to dispose of trash off of the
fantail. It is done whenever the need arises whether it is day or night.
Seagulls that follow ships can't wait for the next dump, as they follow
ships all over the ocean. We had a flock of seagulls that followed a
Navy ship I was on one time, all the way from the Naval Weapons
Station in Concord, CA. clear to Subic Bay in the Phillipines. That was
a 21 day cruise, and the seagulls followed the ship the entire time.
Some don't believe this when I tell them this story, but seagulls will
follow a ship until a sunny beach turns into Antarctica.

The point about the trash is, 99% of it will be consumed by seagulls,
fish, sharks and whatever is roaming around in the ocean when the
trash is dumped, so VERY LITTLE is actually left as trash. The only
thing that would be detrimental to sealife, would of course be plastic
bags, cans and containers that are not biodegradible. If I remember
correctly, the trash that was thrown overboard on the ship I was on,
had paper sacks that would degrade in the salty water after a short time. So there is literally no "trash" or polution to the water or environment.

ZOOMER


reply posted on 5-3-2008 @ 09:42 PM by zooplancton
Originally posted by ZOOMER
Seagulls that follow ships can't wait for the next dump, as they follow
ships all over the ocean. We had a flock of seagulls that followed a
Navy ship I was on one time, all the way from the Naval Weapons
Station in Concord, CA. clear to Subic Bay in the Phillipines. That was
a 21 day cruise, and the seagulls followed the ship the entire time.


i've witnessed that. we also had a small bird stow away in a fan room for a ride.
we were also way out to sea. it is amazing.

The point about the trash is, 99% of it will be consumed by seagulls,
fish, sharks and whatever is roaming around in the ocean when the
trash is dumped, so VERY LITTLE is actually left as trash.


the trash i saw collected was a LOT of paper, plastic pop-bottles, consumer packaging of various goods from the ship's store (think cheetos bags), shaving cream cans, etc. LOTS of consumables that no birds or fish would ever eat. the food waste was minimal for our ship, so most of what i witnessed was not so bio-friendly. (served from '85-'88)

BUT, i do know the USN have made efforts to develop bio-degradable bags recently.

still looking to dump though:
The Navy's original plan to deal with MARPOL was two-fold. First, it would shred non- food waste such as cardboard and
waste into a slurry and pump the waste overboard. Glass and metal
would have been shredded and dumped in zones not covered by
MARPOL. However, at least one environmental group demanded a "zero-discharge" policy in special areas. As a result, the Navy did not
pursue pulping and shredding technology. At present, the Navy is
still searching for an adequate solution to deal with disposal of
non-food waste that does not include plastic.



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reply posted on 5-3-2008 @ 09:55 PM by zooplancton
reply to post by Don Wahn


the thing that scares me is to think about the math on the ships of the earth dumping at any moment. how many bags / volume is being dumped daily?

cruise ships are lethal consuming machines. anyone here a mathematician?

as for the north pacific gyre,
it will only grow. day after day, year after year of dumping are showing itself.


reply posted on 16-3-2008 @ 11:24 AM by zooplancton
Originally posted by ATruGod
Its not just Navy or Cruise Lines (ie Oil Platforms, all the ships that service them etc) theres actually International Laws Governing dumping trash overboard, and in most cases being out at sea makes it legal.

Not that its right.


correct. i think the dumping range starts at just 15 miles out at sea if i remember correctly.

did anyone read this link here?(!)
please read this article!

yes, [size=4]"The Army now admits that it secretly dumped 64 million pounds of nerve and mustard agents into the sea, along with 400,000 chemical-filled bombs, land mines and rockets and more than 500 tons of radioactive waste - either tossed overboard or packed into the holds of scuttled vessels."[/size]

sorry for the uber large text, but i don't think anyone is reading the article.








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