I'm Shocked! 18% of Americans Believe the Sun Orbits the Earth! , page 1
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Topic started on 17-2-2008 @ 06:55 AM by madnessinmysoul
The Story From Gallup

Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question, which has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge in two European countries in recent years: "As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?" In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.


HOW THE HELL DOES THIS HAPPEN!
i'm serious, i don't understand how people in any modern industrial society do not understand that we go around the sun.

i digress...
my point was that this shows the sad state of science education. how can we expect people to understand something that's a bit more complicated (evolution) if they don't have the basic knowledge that the sun is at the center of our solar system and we're orbiting around it.


reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 07:12 AM by andy1033
Why are you shocked at this?



reply posted on 17-2-2008 @ 09:36 AM by Heronumber0
reply to post by madnessinmysoul



I'm not surprised in the slightest. As an educator, I believe that Western societies are teaching a vast amount of useless information to young people. Instead of wisdom about the impact of life on the environment and how we can limit destruction, we teach 'know-how' and a low level list of 'facts'. Students lose interest when they have to memorise lists to be educationally successful. Scientists do not help when there are disputes or contradictions in information as basic as the composition of diet. For example is alcohol good for your health or deleterious? I am still unsure about the answer due to so much conntradictory evidence. Is the bird flu going to kill 120 million people or a few hundred? Can global warming be limited or are we too late for hundred of millions of deaths? There is confusion out there...


reply posted on 19-2-2008 @ 08:49 AM by Mikey84
reply to post by Now_Then



LOL, My favourite ones on that are:

How many sides does a triangle have?
Eh, eh..None, Oh no, it has one, one side!

And also the one,

What money do they use in the United Kingdom?
Eh, American money!

But this You Tube is scary, these people don’t know anything about September 11, even when asked, “what date did September 11 happen” they cant answer it right.

YouTube Link

Mikey


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 10:20 AM by Now_Then
reply to post by worldwatcher



Well these sort of videos would be fairly easy to make, just so long as your patient enough and have enough storage available. Simply ask the same questions to as many people as possible and not use the intelligent answers. I did re watch a couple of times to see how often the question was in the same shot as the answer - the ratio was fairly high - so we can presume those people were genuinely dumb on the subjects they were asked about. But it's not all doom and gloom (God PLEASE don't let it be all doom and gloom!!
) I bet for every dumb answer there are 5 correct ones deleted from existence.

edit: same would go for the surveys, stats can be spun like a puppy on a sheet ice incline

[edit on 21/2/2008 by Now_Then]


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 10:28 AM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by worldwatcher



Sorry, but I live in one of those cities surrounded by 5 universities one Ivy League and there is no shortage of morons here. Actually, one of the most intelligent acquaintances I have here is what could be referred to as a "bible thumper" from Nebraska.

So I'd hold off on that whole "majesty of the enlightened city" nonsense before you start to sound like one of these fools yourself.


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 10:35 AM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Mikey84



People are morons. This is why democracy always devolves into tyranny of the masses. The representative republic was working just fine until every drunk, half-tard and reality television fan decided they should go out and vote too.

This is how we get prohibitive laws oppressing everyone for the failures of the few from mandatory seat belts to firearm restrictions and we get support to invade Iraq when the people who came at us were Saudi.

Because a psycho shot up a school nobody should have a gun and because some Saudi hijackers killed thousands of people we should invade Iraq. Makes sense to way more people than it should.


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 04:23 PM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by bigbert81



well, i really don't see much reason to question gallup. the raw data is there, their sampling and whatnot are quite solid...

and the numbers seem shocking...

but then again, i remember some of the people in missouri...
in st. louis you had quite a few people that would say the sun goes around the earth because they were bible-believing geocentrists...
but in the rural parts you'd get people who hadn't been properly schooled...
even in the urban areas...
so......
i guess this highlights a need to emphasize science education...


reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 05:24 PM by Rren
FWIW, It's not just an American thing. The EU fared worse on that same question.



Scientific literacy is on the rise: Since 1979 the percentage of scientifically literate adults has doubled in America and is higher than (e.g.) Canada, Europe, and Japan. Azzamattero'fact, Americans lead the world in scientific literacy I'm Shocked!



Have you guys seen all those 'science questions for the average man on the street' videos for countries other than the U.S.? Equally hilarious. Take the average sensationalistic bent of a reporter, add editing and some carefully chosen statistics and you can make any point you'd like. I'm Shocked, shocked I tell ya.


Superstar, from your link:

These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.


Looks like pound-for-pound we Bible thumpin' cousin' lovin' Nascar watchin' evolution non-believin' morons are still the intellectual champs. Cool. Your shock had me worried there for a minute (let me know the next time somebody decides to do a telephone survey of a 1000 people or so... could be important.)




reply posted on 21-2-2008 @ 05:39 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by madnessinmysoul



Ok, religion might be one thing. You've got a point there.

However, how and where was the poll administered? To what demographic? etc. etc. You can't just believe any poll you read.

Hell, I remember a study done by Princeton, or Harvard, or some other Ivy League that found that about 20% of the studies out and about are incorrect. I'll try to find a source to show you, but you get my point.
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