Is there any proof of Dulce?

I'm sure there have been countless threads made about this subject but still no hard evidence proving either side of the argument of whether the base exists or not. I'm also sure that some parts of the story are exaggerated (eg. there probably isn't 7 levels, more like 3 or 4).

I'm simply posting this as a question asking if anyone has any believeable, reliable eveidence that would prove or disprove the existance of the Dulce base

I honestly think that there is no evidence of dulce besides the "dulce papers" that were posted on this site awhile ago. Other than that, I've heard of people traveling to dulce in search of the mysterious base said to lay there only to come up empty-handed in the end and disappointed.

[Edited on 16-2-2004 by Jeffrey]

No, we dont have hard evidence to prove the Dulce base is real. We dont have hard evidence to prove a lot of these underground bases are real. But you have to wonder, who would think of just saying there is an underground base in a place no one has ever heard of.

to get people looking in the wrong places, if you ask me. and if not, people do lie just for the attention. i dunno, it could exist, it could not. we'll probably never know.

Any evidence of it would be on government owned (and guarded) land, so not much chance of answering your question there....

Actually I heard that the Dulce compound was settled on some native american territory out there somewhere.

It seems that there are eye witness reports that point to an unusual amount of UFO sightings in that area and svarious posts on the internet by people claiming to have information or eye witness accounts of the base.

Other than that, there's the Dulce Papers of which I personally am more than merely skeptical.

Actually, if you really dig into it (had to review my own notes on this...), most of the Dulce info comes from 3 key people...all of which have serious credibility issues... Also, Dulce IS on Indian land, and the area is actually quite accessable as far as surface exploration by the public... But no base is visible there.

So, there are only two conclusions...

1. The Dulce base doesn't exist.
2. The base exists, but has no surface signs, being totally accessable from other bases, including deliveries, and trash removal, etc.

Oddly enough, I'm tending towards the latter, but with the UTMOST in skepticism....

A friend at school had mentioned a similar theory that if the base existed, it was totally accessable from LANL, because (according to him I haven't really looked into it) that a tunnelling type device that would have the capabilities to make a tunnel from LANL to the Dulce base was invented there.

Sounds like you're thinking of the Rand corporation, and their rumoured tunnelling machines...(oops, Euro spelling slip there, hehe..) Anyhoo, supposedly, they leave the rock looking like polished smooth glass...(long thread on this somewhere here)....

I'm not sure exactly what machines he spoke of, if I see him sometime soon, i'll have to ask him more about the tunneling machines

there has been a lot of talk about dulce base, but unfortunately like gazrock says not enough credible evidence,
its certainly something that we'd all like to find out more infromation on.

is there actually proof that even Area 51 exists?
have the government admited Area 51 exists?

Area 51. Well besides all the pictures taken of it and satelite images, testimony of people who have and do work there. No evidence at all.


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I think area 51 may have been created to divert conspiracy-lovers' attention away from more secret installations (possibly Dulce, etc.) but that's just my opinion

No, Area 51 is what it is thought to be, an installation for testing the most advanced aircraft in the world....

It's the other areas connected to it...S-4, etc. that are really hiding secrets....

You don't spend billions and billions (and keep making improvements) on a diversion.... It is a fully functioning, and servicable base...

good point

I guess I was just focusing on the publicity around area 51 at the time of the post and not all the improvements that have been made to it. Your point is well taken

[Edited on 16-2-2004 by UnknownOrigins]

i found this, www.dfrc.nasa.gov


Lockheed test pilot Robert Gilliland made the first flight in 936 on 13 March 1964 at Area 51, Groom Lake, Nevada.

its on a government website, that means they admit it exists as they say robert gilliland flew in the 936 at Area 51, Groom Lake, Nevada...

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IMO there is no hard evidence of a base under Archuleta Mesa, but there is evidence against the notion.

People have visited the area to look for discrepancies between how it is shown in aerial photographs, as on Terra Server for example, and on maps. Anyone can go to the top of the Mesa. If there was an underground base it could be found using portable EMF meters and similar low-cost, low-tech instruments. Why would the Feds go to such outrageous efforts to put a secret base there and then let anyone walk all over the top of it doing god knows what? It doesn't make sense.

Also, at least one of the people who created the original Dulce story and told it to UFO researcher Paul Bennewitz have since admitted the story was disinformation.

"...Bill Moore later claimed in a "confession" that he was recruited,,,to lead Paul Bennewitz astray by giving him false information. He claimed that he was given his orders by an AFOSI Agent, and that for four years, he was asked to feed disinformation...to Bennewitz. This disinformation included "verification" of Bennewitz' beliefs about the "grays" and the underground base at Dulce."

ufos.about.com...

Reputable UFO websites like CUFON.org have tried to educate the public about the Dulce hoax, unfortunately people seem hanker after the sensational and unsubstantiated.

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dulce is a hoax. the problem with conspiracies is that there is most of the time little proof to use in your arguments. its very frustrating, and its like playing connect the dots. but use your own discretion. the dulce papers where fun to read, but still a hoax.