I also wonder if the folks at the top have been compromised, and they actually want to destroy the US. They could be working for the Saudi's, for example. Or some other foreign entity. They could even be working for corporations who are better served by a weaker US (destroy the gov't, destroy those pesky corporate taxes and regulations that protect the public).

I think the US has a big bulls eye painted on it right now, and it's the guys on the inside who are firing the guns.

I have a question and seeing as how you've obviously put more thought into it and know more about it all than I ever will here's as good a place as any.

For those in power, how can they be happy with how their names will go down in history. Are they truly only concerned with the here and now and could care less about a legacy? There's already need for change but with each passing day I feel we're getting closer and closer to some kind of revolution in the US.

Justin no only the elites run our nation but also we have to remember that power corrupt and more power is needed like you said.

But the present administration led by the Bush clan wants more than just power, they have become a corporate run government and they have to hold to that power by any means necessary and that is why the pursue of laws and regulations in the name of for the good of the people rhetoric and propaganda is used, the only good that is been obtained here is for the same corporate elite that rules the nation.

But what I don't get is that this people, corporations or entities actually believe that they can control the population in a nation by laws, rules and legislation.

Don't they learn from past history? don't they get it that is so much populations can take until they fight back the power? is written all over history for thousands of years.

I already been on that thread Justin DD is an outstanding thread started.

I am going to tell you who is going to benefit from what our government led by the Bush clan is trying to do, all the crooks that make the infamous Carlyle group and the Saudis royals that are all up their necks involved, if you have been following the economic downfall and some threads I have started America has been sold to the same terrorist countries that brought us 9/11 and praised the Al-qaida attacks.

Our own elite ruled government is selling the American nation.

I'm glad you've already been over there. I didn't want to duplicate his work, so I merely sited it here. I see that this thread has picked up a few more flags. That's good, too.

nice thread topic

the quesion i have is how dire are the conversations behind closed doors between the federal reserve and the treasury secretary as well as others.

someone asked if these corporation or politicians might want to see the U.S decline, corporations no, they would want us spending so they could suck up more money, the Politicians are a bit more difficult to read, i for one think that they understood the financial system (with america at it's head) post WWII would not last forever, and that when it ran it's course ( the high standard of living that the "average" american enjoyed would be over) and as this played out over the decades, i believe the big wigs understood they would milk the american consumer engine for all it was worth, and when toward the end , they got desperate and decided to add another 5 years to the current global economic system that supports the american consumer (China and Japan surpressing their currency's to keep american prices for their goods lower, and their own export demand high) by deliberately blowing a housing bubble, made possible by lenders making loans to people they know did not have the means to pay them back, but in the process inflated american's sense of wealth and ability to take out loans, and spend spend spend.

I think the Elite knew and planned long ago that the time would come when the post WWII financial system (with american consumers on top) sustainted by adding debt would eventually slow down and then implode, and they when this process unwound had a unique opportunity to re-organize society in a way that they saw fit such as a vison where they had absolute power, wether this was a nessesity given the amount of chaos which would ultimately befall a brake down when the current economic order collapsed, or wether this was designed and exasperated purposefully to accelerate the process ( i haven't become sure) perhaps the latter was a consequence of their greed instead of malicious intent and surely everyone with influence had their own thought process and intentions, but i have reasons to think otherwise, either way , they have had a "rough outline" for a while

We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march toward a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

the infrastructure necessary for the above state has been put into place for the last hundred years (including the founding of the Federal reserve)
and recently the infrastructure for a police state (which may be necessary to police the coming social unrest) has been slowly but surely made possible through changes in laws by Bush administration under the guise that the "real reason is terrorism" when even with legitimate terrorism , the odds of death are less then choking on a peanut. The reason for the changes in laws is clear to me, and must be given "lip service to terrorists" because no one wants to panic the public and send the economic house of cards tumbling down faster by letting them in on the truth of how fragile and near the end of the line the economic system really is.

the expansion of the federal reserve to america carried with it the promise to the international bankers , that america dreams would be compromised by those that steered it's economic policy, a relatively stable system under a federal reserve has functioned in england for century's but should the fed have been implemented by international bankers with a will and vision of british imperialism than the system could also be used to bring america down and make sure that should a world totalarian system set up shop, the power center could be across the atlantic (while allowing multi national fractions to still operate out of america with much power i.e agricultural industry,etc)


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Hello cp, haven't seen you in a while.

I think there could be something to what you say. I find it hard to beleivethat the current state of affair could be reached without somebody knowing that that they were making it happen. I'm not certain that premeditated collapse is the intended goal, but I do see your point regarding the trans-national corporations.

Having said that, I would point out htat short-sighted greed has played a large role in teh rise nad fall of nations for more than two thousand years. I'll go back to the origninal premise I put forward at the start. I think our leaders see an opportunity for more power, and they're going to take it...even if...it means an economic crash.

I would like to hear more opinions.

Hello orionthehunter:

None of us ar realy sure how bad things really are. We're not able to fairly judge how bad any of this is going to get. The Bush administration has stopped reporting a lot of important economic stats. They wwyouldn't do that unless the real news was ba-a-a-a-ad.

That's why we need to be talkingabou this now, before the spit hits the fan.

I agree it looks like things are getting worse here. Widespread flu and sickness are going to keep people home. I heard most states here in the US are suffering widespread outbreaks. I'm recovering from something and stayed home last weekend and probably for the forseeable future. I want to avoid other sick people and I will end up saving gas and money by cutting back a lot of spending. Maybe this is temporary. However the value of people homes are declining across the US and I read there is a correlation between how much the US consumer spends in relation to perceived value of their home. I hope it doesn't get much worse though.

Did anyone here any rumors or reports that Japanese banks may be holding the bulk of the bad sub prime loans? I thought I read somewhere that they will be reporting in March and someone claimed the numbers won't be good.

Hello Palehorse23, I'm glad to see that you're interested in this issue. It does seem reasonable to suggest that our political and social elites know that they are wrecking our economy. You can't really do the things they've done and NOT know that. I can only conclude that they can't resist the temptation to grab more power.

As you can see, we've got ten flags on this thread now, and its been viewed more than a thousand times. That tells me that a lot of people like you think this is important.

I don't claim to have the answers, but I do know that more of us need to be aware of this covert agenda.