The arguments proceed from our attempts to create element 115, whereas Bob Lazar affirms that element 115 does exist in a stable state. Furthermore element 115 in his reaction is bombarded with energies then creates more energy in bootstrap, eg. "lifting yourself up with your bootstraps."

The trace of technologies that Lazar provides in his writings appear better than the best science fiction, and far more plausible than any other explanation I have ever seen.

Hence I practically do not care whether or not his story is a real story, although that would be nice. The content of it is so interesting and demystifying, that one could consider it a high order of science fiction, if it is indeed fiction. And of course "today's science fiction is tommorrow's science fact," so I hope everyone can envision the argument.

Check out this site and the authors discussion of element 115 in chapter 11.

You guys are making these claims on why it cannot work on information we know at this time. Whos to say that science won't find something in the future that could make 115 and antigravity claims possible?

Fact is our history has worked exactly like that. There was and always will be mindsets of how things work until someone finds something new. Nothing is set in stone, nothing is impossible, to say it is would be ignorant.

Deny ignorance.

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"The really definition is: "Gravitational forces must not be transmitted or communicated faster than light. This means that when the gravitational field of an object changes, the changes ripple outwards through space and take a finite time to reach other objects. These ripples are called gravitational radiation or gravitational waves." "

Ok...Scientists have measured that the speed of gravity is at the speed of light......But is that really so? I mean the gravitational pull of a black hole doesn't let light leave.... Doesn't that mean that gravity is faster than the speed of light? Or just that gravity can be so strong that it pulls the very fabric that is light back in.?

One reason we can't seem to make stable 115 currently is that the "bullet" atoms and "target" atoms in the collision reaction never have enough neutrons to sum to the purpose magic number 299 (115+184). The fusion products are always short and most radioactive species that are short of a stable configuration generally decay by alpha particle decay (2p's&2n's) and always become something else of lower atomic number.

Lazar?...I dunno

BUT, just because we were unable to produce stable 115, gives us no evidence that it does not exist.

At what point in time did the whole "graviton" thing get pooh-poohed? I've been reading text on this stuff for a couple of years now, formulating off-based theories of my own on gravity, but nowhere in the element 115 texts that I've seen does anybody talk about the gravity particle. Looking in a science magazine last year (cant think of the name) there was an article that discussed gravitons and string theory, stating that gravity particles - the smallest of particles - occupy a seperate dimension part of the time. It goes on to say that this dimension is essentially the entire universe tightly wound into a space proportionate to a millimeter to us humans. Contradictory to this is the Lazar notion that gravity is only a wave so this is where I overclock my brain to attempt to get any extra processes per clock-cycle. I guess here is where I'm going with this: Is it possible that because sub-atomic particles across the board travel at or near light speed and the graviton spends alot of it's time in a dimension that is a essentially millimeter across in relation to 3 dimensional space it appears to be simultaneously existing at all points in space? If so, using all 10% of my brain available to me, it would seem that the work of all gravity could be handled by one particle. Just a theory to toss around.

I want to ask something, which will clarify things for me

Wasn't element 115 discovered years after Lazar claimed Element 115 was used for this and that?

Does the name Element 115 point to one specific element because of it is name? (maybe 115 is related with its physical properties thats why it is called 115 ?, I really dont know, I am asking)

if not, it will look like this; Lazar claimed X is used as antigravity fuel etc., years later scientists invented X and analysis showed that Lazars claims are not possible. So they could name anything as X and debunk Lazar then, if the answer to my above question is positive. ?

Very good! It's great to see a well thought out, scientifically sound post on ATS. Your presence here makes me warm and fuzzy.

I'm curious, what's your scientific background? Maybe I won't be alone debunking these silly threads on DNA vibration and crackpot attempts to turn physics into some metaphysics crock of crap.

Quote: "Pions and the other strong-force mesons have a spin of 1 and have a very large mass." Pions have a spin of 0, i.e. they are scalar (more precisely pseudoscalar) particles.