German Moon - Mars base

Is this possible ?? really interesting that the Germans where there first !!

Following the belief that the Germans had gained advanced technologies in the early 1940's (possibly from recovered crashed UFOs or through contact with an alien culture), this article by Vladimir Terziski, President of the American Academy of Dissident Sciences, is a study of the Germans involvement in the exploration of the Moon and Mars.

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

insight to this by experts welcome

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So that is why they lost the war? Because they had a working rocket but didn't use it towards the british islands.

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maybe it was there own alternative 3 knowing full well that the war was lost - 42 the tide was turning

I enjoyed the part about the Germans giving the sperre technology to Japan, where they promptly 'fueled' the craft, set it off never to see it again.. It goes on to say that the Japanese at that point just gave up on the whole idea...I doubt it.

Originally posted by slaveearth

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

insight to this by experts welcome

I'm not an expert. But I had to laugh out loud when reading this paragraph:

It was probably a large crew, numbering in the hundreds, because of the low level of automation and electronic controls inside the saucer. Most of the systems of the craft had to be operated like these on a U-boat of that time - manually. Because the structurally weakened tachyon drives were not working with full power and not all the time, the trip to Mars took almost 8 months to accomplish. An initial short trust towards Mars was probably used the strong gravitational field close to Earth, after that the craft was "coasting" for 8 months in an elliptical orbit to Mars with its main drives turned off. Later trips to Mars by the joint Soviet - American craft in 1952 and by the Vatican craft of the Marconi project from Argentina in 1956 reached Mars in only 2 - 3 days, because their drives were working during the whole flight: accelerating in the first half and decelerating in the second. Smaller Kohler converters were probably used to power the systems and life support equipment on board. I do not have any information at the present time about any artificial gravity capability on board the craft, but that could have been easily done with the large antigravity drives of the ship.

This is hilariously bizarre - especially the Vatican craft . But seriously, im my opinion the whole story doesn't appear very plausible.

While reading the link in this thread I kept thinking of Edgar Rice Burroughs and John Carter series. Honestly, does anyone believe in this drek?

I think this thread needs to be moved to skunk works Certainly not in the lear forum. I mean John is far out, but this WAY out.

Originally posted by pavlovsdog
I think this thread needs to be moved to skunk works Certainly not in the lear forum. I mean John is far out, but this WAY out.

I respectfully disagree. An idea of a Vatican mission to Mars, piloted by a few daring cardinals with full blessing by the Pope, may seem a little odd, but what about John's claims about planets being hollow and flourishing civilizations on Mars and Venus? Inicidentally, John's theories include aliens sharing tech with humans and all sorts of secret missions to various places. So, from where I look, all this "drek", as you put it, is quite on the same page.

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agree ...maybe the structures on the moon (that was talked about)could be of a dead former German civilization

A lot of this stuff has been discussed before. You can find some of it on the Pegasus website. One of the contributors has a lot of stuff...can't recall right now which one.

But consider that the Germans didn't really lose WWII. Consider that any victory is propaganda. Considering Operation Highjump results, something major happened and America didn't fare so well. So, I do not think we have the whole story.

Until we do, whose to say that this is laughable. Don't forget some of the connections from the Vatican into Nazism. Neither side was too fond of jews.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Don't forget some of the connections from the Vatican into Nazism. Neither side was too fond of jews.

Oh my sweet Lord... Now, that's a smoking gun if I ever saw one! I am now firmly convinced that both Nazis and the Vatican conducted colonization of Mars, just out of spite of the Jews! Good one.

Those are not the only connections. Much of it is conspiracy driven, so you can parse through it all on your own, as i am not much of a student of that information and can't speak all that well on it.

You are overly presumptious. You DO realize that people won't like you more when you make fun of others, right? You aren't, despite your best efforts, tarnishing others enough to improve your own appearance by comparison. I am unsure that it would be possible.

I want to quote from a recent article (that is part of something i am putting together for the forum, which i will be ecstatically happy to have your input on):

"The theory of gravity is fairly well established, and I don't see it reversing itself," said Francis Slakey, a professor of physics at Georgetown University. The NASA project is "wasted money that could have been used to do legitimate space science," he added.

Koczor portrayed that view as closed-minded.

Scientists such as Slakey "don't seem to be amenable to observing that maybe the laws [of physics] are incomplete," Koczor said.

There are all too many scientists who enjoy snorting and chuckling about "head in the clouds" scientists and "pseudo-scientists" that are "ruining the reputation of science". In the above quote, however, the skeptic is most assuredly wrong.

Thank God the legitimacy of science doesn't worry all scientists to such a degree. Without them, innovation would be strangled under those chuckles and snorts.

[edit on 29-1-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Slaveearth
Here is a more detailed website, more info on German "Ufo's".

www.stevequayle.com...

Very interresting stuff on this subject.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
But consider that the Germans didn't really lose WWII.

Hmmmmm...mmmm.....In what sense did they not lose? Germany April 20th 1945:

1 All major cities levelled, economy in ruins
2 Their army wiped out
3 Russians raping their way throughout the Fatherland
4 The state was completely bankrupt and half the country starving
5 Their leader shot, dead, burnt and lying in a ditch - the rest of the leadership either dead, under arrest or fleeing
6 3 different countries armies queuing up to take their capital
7 Completely occupied and subjugated by foreign powers


The country was then divided up between the occupying countries and their entire economy taken over. Normally when a country goes to war and this happens it's generally considered "losing" - what the hell do you call it?!?

Don't forget some of the connections from the Vatican into Nazism. Neither side was too fond of jews.

The Vatican might not have been "too fond" of Jews but the Nazis tried to wipe them out entirely - killing 6 million in the process. How do you go from to running joint space missions?

I know the Catholics are famous for their technological innovation and cutting edge miltary (ooh, those Swiss Guard), but still....

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Hmmmmm...mmmm.....In what sense did they not lose? Germany April 20th 1945:

1 All major cities levelled, economy in ruins
2 Their army wiped out
3 Russians raping their way throughout the Fatherland
4 The state was completely bankrupt and half the country starving
5 Their leader shot, dead, burnt and lying in a ditch - the rest of the leadership either dead, under arrest or fleeing
6 3 different countries armies queuing up to take their capital
7 Completely occupied and subjugated by foreign powers


The country was then divided up between the occupying countries and their entire economy taken over. Normally when a country goes to war and this happens it's generally considered "losing" - what the hell do you call it?!?

I apologize. i am trying to interject some thoughtfulness into this topic.

Germany DID lose the war. I meant to say "assume the NAZI's didn't lose the war." Perhaps they just withdrew from the world to start something new, more fantastical?

Something happened in Antarctica. Admiral Byrd saw something, and there were reports that he actually went missing for long periods.

it is the stuff of urban legend now...but what went on in Antarctica in Operation Highjump? And where did all those U-Boats end up?

The Vatican might not have been "too fond" of Jews but the Nazis tried to wipe them out entirely - killing 6 million in the process. How do you go from to running joint space missions?

I know the Catholics are famous for their technological innovation and cutting edge miltary (ooh, those Swiss Guard), but still....

You don't really know what technology the Vatican might have at its disposal. The secrecy with them is greater than any government could ever hope for.

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read may articles about this ... moon or underground they were up to
something..

There is only one escape route - one he has planned for should he ever face just such a turn of events. Suicide is out of the question. Instead, Hitler and his corps of elite traverse through an underground tunnel to an isolated airstrip. There they board an unmarked plane and fly south. South to the pole. To the opening at the South Pole where they will enter the hollow Earth and disappear from history.

paranormal.about.com...

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And that is the problem. Parsing through their supersition to find something tangible is very frustrating.

it is like they have no credibility in any arena for some reason, casting doubt on all possibilities.

Eyepod

Dislodging established and much-repeated nonsense is much more difficult, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.

The chief proponents of Nazi super-science myths (outside of class exercises for the Nazi understudies on some desks of the CIA) are neo-Nazis.

in cases where such nonsense tends to exaggerate or glorify the activities of the Nazis during World War II, I think we should try particularly hard. In that spirit of endeavour, let’s see what we can do about the very untrue story of Viktor Schauberger – builder of flying saucers. The detailed and ever-growing fiction of the Nazi UFO mythos tells us that the Nazis were so
technically, creatively and scientifically brilliant that, had the war only lasted a few months longer, they would have won it by using their amazing flying saucers, which were so very nearly ready for combat when the Allied forces entered Czechoslovakia and Southern Germany.

Anything that leads people into sympathy of any kind with Nazi Germany is a disgrace, a closet form of agreement with the aims and objectives of Nazi Germany and a form of denial of the fruits of our own genuine civilisation.

And let's look at one of the delightful men who is a chief proponent, of, amongst other things, Nazi UFOs: Ernst Zundel.

...if Ernst Zundel manufactured or
exaggerated some of the facts, then he only did it for the money.

On ‘The Zundelsite’, in the ‘Zundelsite Zgram’ for 26 December 1998, the matter is explained in his own words. He says of his publications and his radio appearances: “I realised I had discovered a potent publicity tool with this topic – which would get me lots of free time on radio and TV shows, to expose other, more ‘politically incorrect’ topics to vast audiences... I
slipped in lots and lots of ‘Revisions of History’... I talked about the disinfecting procedures to protect the valuable worker inmates in the Dora-Mittelwerke rocket underground assembly factories... I mentioned the medical facilities in the camps, the calorie count of the meals served, etc... The UFO books themselves also had very important politically otherwise
impossible-to-tell messages embedded within them, such as the National-Socialist Party program and Hitler’s analysis of the Jewish question... All that – and I made a fine bundle of money! The money I made from the UFO books I invested in publishing the booklets Die Auschwitz-Luge - a translation of The Auschwitz Lie, Dr Austin App’s booklet The Six Million
Swindle and A Straight Look at the Third Reich; and, of course, later, Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Harwood.”

If Zundel’s own account is to be believed – and I think it probably is – then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the
distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there’s more
at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
repeating such fictions and to put the ‘Nazi UFO’ mythos to rest once and for all.

It is crystal clear from his own testimony -testimony against his own interest mind you- that the Nazi UFO myth is no more than an elaborate and ingenious way to get people already open to alternative ideas into the Nazism fold.

All too often UFO reports and especially the alien contact reports centering around the sick fantasy that is the Gray / Reticulan mythology have powerful racial overtones, and even specifically Nazi overtones.

Handling a topic like this is going to leave brown dung stains all over you. And there is no evidence of any Nazi secret programmes resembling what is alleged. The circular craft and flying wing craft that were clearly the progenitor of some modern aircraft have been documented. The rest of it is just more Nazi propaganda being espoused by the latest crop of xenophobic hatemongers and money grubbing loons.


[edit on 31/1/08 by DogHead]

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Possibly because they have no real credibility at all. The site reads like a bad scifi story.

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I can certainly understand this.

But there are some other tantalizing clues out there that something isn't right.

Doghead
With due respect.

In regards to sympathy (that is something no right minded person would have)

Please read up on Operation Paperclip and there are a few old photo's floating around on the WWW, that the Nazi's were on to a alternative power source, I agree with you that when you delve into German History you will or may be led to believe that they were the true "Über-Mensch" in which nothing was impossible for a true Arian.

Even at the riskof getting your hand's "dunged" brown... do a bit more reading on what the swines were doing with their secret weapons, I am sure that a level headed person as yourself will read over the, and I quote "Gray / Reticulan mythology have powerful racial overtones, and even specifically Nazi overtones. "

What I am trying to say is, don't knock it all just because it came from Nazi Germany, the truth can be found everywhere, even in a pile of "Dung".