My opponent has decided to do what most people do best and that is bring in quotes and not reference the whole quote so others can’t see the whole
quote in its self.
My opponents quotes but in depth and what they mean
I hopefully he will show more open mind then what my opponent had shown in his post on Islam where he promptly dismissed every source give.
Vile rants of the Quran
Created by my opponent and filled with Websites that explains all the verses that are so evil
I would also like the Judges to take a look at the following two sites
Now my opponent has decided to get personal and attack the fact that I show Boycott Israel in my signature but decides to leave out when I created it
and what was happening at the time.
Israeli attacks on Lebanon come to mind, I won’t go into depth into the Israeli Lebanon war as this Debate is about Israel and Palestine even so
Lebanon and other countries do come into the matter occasionally
He also Brings in my post one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter and looking at his reply he is very frustrated that people might agree
with that. Or is it because it’s accurate?
During history those that opposed their oppressors or fought against any government or leader have been seen as terrorists by the governments they
fought but supported and helped by other countries that saw them as freedom fighters.
I can bring in many during history.
American Revolution the people who fought the British were seen as scum and terrorists by the British rulers at the time and look at that now they are
seen as the forefathers of America.
The Soviet war the Mujahedeen were seen as terrorists by the soviets by Freedom fighters by the US and other allies who supported them.
The List goes on. Unless my opponent is denying all this and all these actions that these groups have taken is just a myth.
My opponent now claims that my facts aren’t accurate and I am just
throwing things out of a hat.
I wouldn’t want to disappoint.
Let’s start with this, my opponent says I said that Jews didn’t control Israel for thousands of years is just pure rubbish as I quote my self
No as the Land was occupied by other tribes and people way before Israelites laid claim to the land
after taking the land Israelites lived on the land until what is now Palestine, for the last few thousand years. Concept for Land changes as the
As you can see I didn’t say Jews didn’t live there for thousands of years but Jews weren’t the first people to own this land but was taken from
them by the Israelites how history repeats it’s self. The Canaanites ring a bell for anyone the people that lived in Israel before the Israelites
came and drove them out to lay claim?
He makes the implication that Palestinians are not inherently anti-semitic
Can anyone point this out to me, where did I say that?
but for the good of this debate I will reply to this in Kind
What’s the difference between this Israel Image?
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And this Palestinian image
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I never denied there was hate on Palestinian side but then again I never said anything about it until now.
The Israeli teach their kids to Hate Palestinians and the Palestinians do the same (not saying all do the same)
Again my opponent brings in the Quran but no reference where he is showing Jews and so on as pigs but never the whole Surah or chapter?
I would recommend people read the whole verse and the chapter it is from and then refer to www.geocities.com...
for Explanation as it
explains all the verses in detail.
Now my opponent is saying that he wasn’t showing Israel in an innocent way, but then again if anyone reads his reply it’s just full of Praise for
Israel and my opponent just justifying all attacks, please refer to my first questions and his reply and his org reply for that.
My opponent laughs at the Gesture of Good will and hand of peace because Israel would have to return the land it stole in the first place, he uses the
same old routine Israel would have to give up natural resources and so on, but the most laughable part is that Israel would Gain the Friendship and
diplomacy from its neighbours which would mean that they would have access to Natural resources but have to purchase it from the Palestinians.
But that’s laughable according to mu opponent as Israel would have to return what is not its.
My opponent finds it a joke that the Palestinians want their land back and that when they will stop fighting their fight.
My opponent still Brings in the PLO but leaves out gestures of Peace as It’s a Mockery to Israel because Israel would have to accept the Right of
return to 3-4 million Palestinian refugees.
My opponent says Israel is a shining light to Middle eastern countries but leaves out the segregation that people suffer in Israel where None Jews are
This was shown during the Lebanon conflict where Israeli soldiers based themselves closer to Arab Israeli settlements.
Also this is a good read 20% of the population of Israel who have married to anyone in the occupied land had to leave or leave their family.
my opponent says his reply’s are hard to refute by hard historical evidence but then again my opponent is someone that easily dismisses evidence
that doesn’t best serve him as he has shown but saying they are non-factual even so I have backed more up with Sources then my opponent has.
Hats off to your First reply,
To the second questions, Hamas didn’t start off as a Religious group but for the people,
they adapted Islam as majority are Muslim and that was a better railing call for them to stick to gather.
Second Question (response)
The Palestinians were promised Change, which they would get to live a normal life, but that was made difficult when Hamas wasn’t even able to talk
to Israel as they were shunned and then US/Europe and Israel forced Palestine factions even further apart by deciding not to conduct themselves with
Hamas even so they were elected government and legit.
Now my opponent says Hamas are just out to destroy Israel but fails to mention that Israel doesn’t even want to speak to them even so some Israeli
advisers have asked the Israeli government to sit down at a table and talk.
My opponent has gone into name calling by calling me a bigot for using the Phrase “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” now
since I covered that already in the first half of this reply I will carry on. I would also like my opponent to quote me where I use Freedom fighter
myself apart from the one man’s freedom fighter quote.
On my third question (response)
Syria has said they are willing for peace if they get their heights back and unlike the Palestinian Land which Israel occupies Syria is a recognised
My opponent now states how the media stirs Israel as evil and Arabs as angels.
I would like to present three sources which show Palestinians in a bad light and Israel in a bad light.
Israel Uses Cluster bombs on civilians
Israel Kills 18 Palestinians
Israeli Raid Kills Nine
3 dead in Israel Suicide bombing
Major terrorist attack in Israel
Hamas fire kills four civilians
wow I didn’t expect to find anything against Hamas and just Israel.
mass media spin? Granted there are Pro and Anti Israel papers but this goes for both sides, can anyone Imagine Fox showing Israel as bad eggs? And
Hamas as angels?
My opponent here has tried to show that Israel is shown badly by all media.
And all those sites that show pro Israel and neutral stuff are just figments of our imaginations.
On the last question my opponent says my question is refutable as the current boundaries aren’t recognised by International laws as my opponent has
decided to point out again.
To the point
First the loss of land on the Palestinian side to Israel from 46-00
a large Map which was the Org Israel
I would like my opponent to show us when the UN enacted the new MAP and when it was put in place.
The creation of Israel was a good thing for Jews who suffered prosecution under the rule of a tyrant but that gave them no right to do what they are
doing to the Palestinians these days.
I would never support actions to wipe Israel out or actions to kill an innocent person.
I hope that Israel Takes the hand of peace with the Palestinians and its neighbours then make the GAP even wider that it can’t be fixed,
As a nation that lives in fear and distrust of its neighbours will never have peace goes for Palestinians as well.