is a police state even possible??

so i've been thinking alot lately on what it would take to put america under a police state. with so many soldiers overseas, and the armed forces not able to meet recruitment demands. is there even enough personnel available to control 300 million citizens?

what do you think, could they even pull it off? under what circumstances would it be possible?


this article shows a little bit of what im talking about, we are so shortstaffed that we are sending wounded soldiers back into action

www.iht.com...

discuss

-turbo

If by chance there wasn't enough soldiers stateside for a police action or martial law then the Govt has access to paramilitary groups to fill in the holes.
One of these groups, which is the most talked about but not the only one out there, is Black Water USA who was used quite a bit in New Orleans after Katrina.
So dont worry to much, if and when this ever occurs there will definitely someone to take the job.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
If by chance there wasn't enough soldiers stateside for a police action or martial law then the Govt has access to paramilitary groups to fill in the holes.

Yep. The military has already taken over and is now 'part of' law enforcement. The militarization of the police force has been documented quite thoroughly, the police are trained to treat civilians as 'suspect' or even enemy combatants, while the military is already fully capable of locking down on the populace. Both the military and the police force are going to be 'in' on controlling the populace during the next orchestrated disaster.

Is a police state possible? Quite possible, and well under way, it's only a question of when martial law is set into action.

Wasn't there something in Star Wars about this? Something like...

"How will the Emporer maintain control without the bureacracy?"

"...fear..."

I think it's quite clear that a police state is indeed possible, and more than likely at this point. Also keep in mind that you don't really need a large armed contingent if you manipulate the society to act against itself, with civilians turning on one another for the prize of a loaf of bread.

1) Military
2) Blackwater
3) Police
4) Citizens saying 'Just follow the law and you've nothing to worry.'

Yep. Possible.

European Union soldiers were training in the U.S. in URBAN WARFARE over a decade ago. Who better to call in to help because American troop strength is depleted overseas...... It won't be THEIR relatives being rounded up.
All you need is a natural disaster, (see current ASTEROID threads), war or major terrorist attack, (see SEPT 11), or economic disaster, (see Teus. Jan. 22 Stock Markets), to invoke Marshall Law, and you are 90% there.

btw
Does anyone know if the so-called POW camps supposedly hidden throughout the U.S. were proven to exist?

[edit on 22-1-2008 by Yknot]

Keep in mind that when this happens they wont need to control every single town in this country at first, only major cities and other areas of rebellion. Im just wondering how they will go about taking our guns, house to house sweeps, I think. I live in SoCal and under these such events I will be happy that I live in a city where the gangs have more guns than the cops, Im not into gangs or anything like that, but all I have to do is call a friend who will then call his friend who will call his brother who will call his cousins cat who will call his owner who happens to be a black market arms dealer.When they come to get our guns they wont be able to get all of them.

Well you really have to look at all of the aspects:

1)The government could possibly, and most likely, have hidden soldiers ready and willing to enslave cities and states.

2)Taken into account that they seem to be stripping away the right to bear arms lately, average civillians may not have the weapons to fight off the "herding."

3)Not everyone's morals will be the same. If in danger, many will probably join the government. Like the first political cartoon during the Revolution, Join or Die. Many will heed that call.

4)Given that many civilians, and yourself, do have weapons such as guns. It will not even be the slightest hinderence to the military. They are trained and have better equipment. They will most likely take many doctors to keep their pawns healthy and healed from all minor wounds.

Against those odds, a police state is very possible and may even be in the near future.

reply to post by tac109


Kinda makes you think twice about all these "criminals" in America doesn't it? Especially considering that most 'bangers probably would rather just have a regular job and raise a family. Or would have at one time anyway, before the system squeezed all hope out of them, sucked their lifeforce dry, and turned them into the walking dead. Who are the Soul Assasins?

Well, my honest opinion,,,American civilians are pretty much screwed, you have a rogue government, and you aren't doing anything to stop them...

And to be real honest, if I was you, i'd rather join the police force or the military, or any other group that won't be herded into concentration camps, but would rather be doing the herding to the concenration camps...

if u cant beat em...join em

Exactly. We will turn each other in. Even the 6000 on this site can't get along. 'he must be guilty cos the cops got him'.

Oh yeah, certainly its possible for have a police state here.

The police just wouldnt all be your average soldier.. many would be imported! heheh, fresh for duty, from friendly allied nations, perhaps Canada/Mexico, but you can't leave out other English speaking nations like Australia as major recruitment places. People like Canadian and Australian National Guard and Ex-NG? And also, Ex-Military, retired? How about those who already completed their tours? In that case we'd be going up against full police battalions of veteran soldiers!

Plus, the U.S. is already big on this "force multiplier" technology concept as a working idea on how to best everyone in the world at everything, when the opponent has more men. Just throw in a couple "force multipliers" .. and your force is equal or greater than their force, despite yours being outnumbered. This is how we fight in Iraq/Afghanistan today. Rarely do our troops outnumber the enemies troops during a confontration, as in who is directly engaged and close enough to support.

So our force multipliers comes in at every level; from the training of each soldier being better than the opponent, to each soldier having a bulletproof armor that protects all vital organs except from angled and unlucky shots, to each one having an AR15 style gun with less recoil and better accuracy, to having air support precision bomb your enemy or rocket him to death in the case of a helicopter, to have a full artillery company in position to call coordinates into for support. Lol. You got one mortar? try 200 155mm howitzer cannons. These are all force multipliers. And having experience in a combat situation is a MAJOR force multiplier. This is why the Special Forces are so good. They get used frequently compared to regular soldiers for high combat situations. The Navy seals, the Army rangers, those "special" squads of marines that are uber kick arse task force VIPER etc.

So then, in the event that something was imposed on the American people like country wide martial law, it would have to be imposed partially by our military, and partially by our allies military helping alongside us. Our military would be giving them orders and send 1 or 2 americans in with each squad of 10 or more of their men, you see. This is the force multiplication they need to match the public in numbers for control purposes. But even still they dont match in numbers, they dont need to.

For that to work, our proud military, with its long, hard fought history of grueling conflicts, always fighting valiantly to try and save somebodies' behind from someone else's, yes our U.S. military would have to sell-out. Not just the High Command, I mean even into the lowest levels, they'd have to sell out. What I mean by that is, the soldiers would have to accept the NWO Agenda, and accept that they are on the Elitist's side, and essentially doing their dirty work. They'd have to accept herding up and killing their own people. Their own friends and family, fellow citizens. But we all know that the military indoctrinates one into placing himself above the average citizen in importance, as if he is in a social class above citizen. this is wrong.

Anyways, theyd have to sell out, turn on the U.S. people, and basicly be the overseers and hardest fighters for the quelling campaign against the revolting, armed, U.S. people, who are going crazy and turning the place into Mad Max with increasing speed.

But when the U.S soldier runs up and sees his own family amongst a group of refugees, and his superior tells him to fire, is he going to kill his own family, or is he going to kill his superior?

In order to defend from this, there would have to be some form of an alliance between the patriotic, armed citizen revolutionaries, and the U.S. armed forces, or a vast portion of them. Even if the brigades split down teh line, we'd need half to stand a shot. You see the Elitists will not bomb cities and towns where their supporters and sheep live. As we have seen in Iraq, they wont drop bombs all over the neighborhoods, they try to do precision strikes, but they dont blanket the entire neighborhood. So the revolutionaries would have to hide amongst the enemies' sheep. This isn't too hard to do. Gotta go for now.

[edit on 1/23/2008 by runetang]

For many many generations the ones that had first hand knowledge, the normal quote, words to the effect, "there is no way they can fail". I don't have the exact quotes handy this moment but they will succeed; however, rest assured it will be for a short while.........




reply to post by turbokid

Police states are possible because society naturally leans towards more and more oversite.

People applauded Hitler even in the US when he mowed on through Germany.

Wall Street funded and supplied the Nazi party, found Hitler to lead the cause and provide the enemy we needed to start WWII. These are the facts. At the same time, the same families that funded Hitler from the US also plotted to finance a coup of the White House by contacting Major General Smedley Butler USMC Retired in 1933. He actually turned in the plot to congress, who confirmed it and swept it under the carpet. This is actually a true story and only scratching the surface. A few of the perps that funded or supplied Hilter was Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, IBM, DuPont and many more....all through the war......

Now they have a grand finale.....coming. The police state has been planned for generations and little by little by an organized agenda and group.

Originally posted by turbokid
so i've been thinking alot lately on what it would take to put america under a police state. with so many soldiers overseas, and the armed forces not able to meet recruitment demands. is there even enough personnel available to control 300 million citizens?
-turbo

this is easy take out 80% of the population

reply to post by jackinthebox


Exactly jack. All it will take is for the global economy to collapse, and the next thing you know we will be fighting for bread. Not only Blackwater, there are plenty of even everyday people that I am sure will turn on their neighbor if it means their family will be able to eat/survive.

[edit on 1/23/2008 by palehorse23]

Then there is the trend we are already seeing...

American jobs shipped overseas, people turn to crime, which creates more domestic jobs again. Eventually the only job you will be able to get is being a cop or a prison guard, and everyone else will be starving or in prison.

Originally posted by sethdarke
Well, my honest opinion,,,American civilians are pretty much screwed, you have a rogue government, and you aren't doing anything to stop them...

Pretty much! This is exactly what the world is seeing as well.

Most countries have SEEN dictatorship, on the genocide level, even. They know that America is a young nation and the populace is bred to be misinformed and helpless in the legal system etc.

If you look at most countries, revolution and the overthrow of government happens on a regular basis. If a leader is breaking the law, people start militias. In America, you are more likely to end up killed by the FBI or thrown in prison before you can even think about 'overthrowing' the system. We are definitely in too deep.

You are right, and few are understanding this agenda.....80% is the goal they have. Thus, no real resistance.....