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reply posted on 14-10-2010 @ 09:57 PM by jymmyjaymes
Not to take anything away from the kill numbers from the AK 47's long history, but....I would go with the TAR 21. Because it is a sniper rifle with assault rifle capabilities, in part due to the bull pup design. The Israelis got it right. Please read
en.wikipedia.org...
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reply posted on 27-1-2011 @ 08:11 PM by HattoriHanzou
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I'm kinda partial to my Steyr AUG. It's smaller than pretty much any other assault rifle with a 16" barrel firing a medium caliber round. Not real light though - it's quite a bit heavier than an AR-15.


reply posted on 27-1-2011 @ 08:27 PM by redoubt
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What In The World Most Deadly And Efficient Assault Rifle


My opinion would have to be the venerable AK-47, in all its versions and nationalities.

The 7.62x39 ammo is potent, the rifle bore is perfect for the round and the rate of fire, ease of reloading and durability factors make it hands down the best killer in military small arms history.

The SKS... kind of the older, non-auto sister to the AK is not bad either. In fact, between the AK and the SK, you have an inexpensive duo that can fight on any battlefield environment against any enemy using the same ammo which could be a lifesaver of simplified logistics.

In contrast, the US Colt M-16 and M-3 are far inferior... and not just because of the 5.56mm ammunition. The firing mechanisms are subject to jamming and misfires due to the tight machining parameters and lack of overall durability.

Just one person's opinion.


reply posted on 27-1-2011 @ 08:57 PM by HattoriHanzou
Originally posted by redoubt
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post by pinpoint sniper(1)




What In The World Most Deadly And Efficient Assault Rifle


My opinion would have to be the venerable AK-47, in all its versions and nationalities.

The 7.62x39 ammo is potent, the rifle bore is perfect for the round and the rate of fire, ease of reloading and durability factors make it hands down the best killer in military small arms history.

The SKS... kind of the older, non-auto sister to the AK is not bad either. In fact, between the AK and the SK, you have an inexpensive duo that can fight on any battlefield environment against any enemy using the same ammo which could be a lifesaver of simplified logistics.

In contrast, the US Colt M-16 and M-3 are far inferior... and not just because of the 5.56mm ammunition. The firing mechanisms are subject to jamming and misfires due to the tight machining parameters and lack of overall durability.

Just one person's opinion.


Just a quick fact or two:

While the SKS and the AK were both designed by Soviets, they are completely different weapons. The SKS has a gas piston that is not integral to the bolt, with its own return spring, which flies back and strikes a piece called the bolt carrier, which unlocks the tilting block bolt. The AK on the other hand has a long gas piston that is integral to the bolt carrier (and shares its spring), which is thrown back and unlocks a rotary bolt. About the only thing they have in common is the ammunition. In fact, the AK-47 has more in common with the AR-15 (the rotary bolt) than it does with the SKS.

So, while they aren't sisters, they are members of the same species - "gun."
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reply posted on 3-2-2011 @ 11:28 AM by roguetechie
I'll still take my AR chambered in 5.45 by 39 millimeter ammo.

For those that don't know 5.45 by 39 is the standard round of the ak 74 and the follow an 94 assault rifle. It is in the same class as milspec 5.56 ammo but costs a quarter as much!

Now some will say this or that but ... you have to be able to afford to FEED YOUR WEAPON for it to be any good.

My AR is setup with a twenty inch barrel a brand name reddot scope and a Quick Detach mount magnifier for long range shots. I use the Ace Hammer stock with a strengthened buffer tube and a hydraulic buffer. I keep an ACOG attached to a QD mount with the rifle and my rails are marked so I can slap it on and go long range instead of CQB with pinpoint accuracy. Same reason why I have the bipod setup and etc.

But most important of all... I have enough spare parts to rebuild the two AR 15's I still have (one for me one for the GF) several times over and also have uppers in several common calibers (battlefield resupply for when I run out of my ammo I'll take the enemy's). In addition to this we have 15 + magazines per rifle with parts to respring and etc each mag 3 times. While there are better calibers and better weapons out there... I took a look at what chamberings I could realistically afford to shoot and keep on hand in useful amounts. Then I looked at my terrain and etc and came to the conclusion that direct gas impingement will work more than fine in my area.

LIke one poster said it's not so much the rifle as the rifleman that makes the situation good or bad. If you are well trained with your equipment and can operate maintain and FEED it within your budget and it fits the tactical scenarios you project could be an issue then it is the best weapon for you.

PS: there is no point in owning a so called "assault rifle" if you are not going to keep at least TEN high capacity magazines for the rifle and enough ammunition to fully load all of those magazines at least twice! In a real SHTF scenario you will burn ammo at UNHOLY rates with a semi automatic high capacity firearm.


reply posted on 8-2-2011 @ 12:44 PM by DaMod
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Wow that is a freaking sexy M4....

I would still have to vote for the Steyr Aug
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reply posted on 9-2-2011 @ 06:59 AM by clintdelicious
Ah im tired of all the AK 47posts. YEs its killed massive numbers of people but that doesn't make it the best and most efficient.

I would have to say that first of all the 5.56 round is more efficient than the 7.62 so i'd prefer the Ak 74 over a 47, but still they are not the best design albiet it a very reliable one. A 5.56 rround still does massive damage to tissue and despite having less penetrating power you can carry more rounds and that IS very important. Its not rare at all in Afgan for soldiers to have to leave a firefight after running out of ammunitiuon and 5.56 still performs very well. Or before anyone says the 6.5mm intermediate round may prove to be the best all rounder but its not used too widely atm.

I think the most deadly rifle weapon would rely on the soldier using it more than the technology. There are so many great options out there today that its hard to pick out a few single weapon systems. I'm a massive fan of the bullpup design and believe that this is a far supirior design and some of the best features in weapon design are the most simple ideas.

Also though going back to the AK reliability is imperative and a reliable mediocre assault rifle is a safer bet than a high tech unreliable one. Despite all of what I've said above I still am a fan of battle rifles like the SLR (or for the COD players the 'FN FAL') I still think our smaller calibre assault rifles are better, but I just like the idea of every man having a big, high calibre, accurate rifle to shoot with. Where now days I feel that often firefights are about laying down massive suppressive fire to keep the enemy down rather than accurate, lethal fire.
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