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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by mojo4sale
Though I can understand your opposition to these pseudo-skeptic's I think it also needs to be noted that there are many posters willing to post outrageous claims without attempting to corroborate them in any way.
Two sides to every coin.
I expected this statement to come as a response to this thread. And of course its true. There´s some really stupid stuff out there.
But while most are aware of the nonsense posted, most don't seem to be aware of the tactics employed to discredit good research.
Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by Skyfloating
The burden of proof lays with the claimant(SP?) . There is a difference between an idea being plausible but not provable and claiming something as gospel truth .
Originally posted by undo
So I do NOT want to hear that presenting evidence will change anything. It didn't work in 1903 or any time since then.
Originally posted by xpert11
Originally posted by undo
So I do NOT want to hear that presenting evidence will change anything. It didn't work in 1903 or any time since then.
I understand where your coming from as an Atheist I have seen how people of faith react when the logical fallacy and the lack of evidence to support there notion. However you still have to present evidence or point out the lack of it if you expect rational people to support your ideas.
If you dispense with the need for evidence or at least a logical grounding then you will end up with wild conspiracy that aren't based on logic or have a place in reality. Sure sometimes you have you have to go with the most likely conclusion based on logic and what evidence is available.
Originally posted by atlasastro
Nice post, perhaps you should have included some links to examples of people who have done thier research and are presenting a genuinely alternative concept or idea. It would be nice to have a short cut to these topics rather than having to sift through and question all the immanent invasions and abduction( for example) etc stories and then run the risk of being labelled as a pseudo-sceptic. This post and your point is well taken though. cheers
I distinguish by "gut feeling"/intuition...something which is frowned upon by the establishment.
How can ATS be CoIntelPro? ATS is largely user generated. Unless the majority of people who post at ATS are CIA, the content should still be somewhat valid. I am not saying that it is factual, because many issues discussed on ATS are..... uh.... conspiracy theories, but since the content is user generated, and topics (within reason) aren't censored. These theories always attract like minded people and people that object to the theory, people who challenge the theory. The discussion is generated by users, whether they be disinfo agents or students or professional people.
Who cares if the CIA runs ATS? The CIA does not censor the content I write, and the CIA cannot force me to believe what I read. In fact, the best ATS-ers are very skeptical. If the CIA were to post anything directly, it would likely get torn apart by people like me.... or someone else who likes a stimulating discussion.
Lets assume, for a moment, that the CIA or the Air Force Cyber-warfare Dept, runs and monitors ATS..... this means we must be on the right track. In fact, that would imply that they are afraid of user generated content, and seek to destroy/influence it.
Rules to live by on ATS
1. Don't believe everything you read
2. (politely) Challenge everything you hear and believe. Open Minded-ness and skepticism are not mutually exclusive.
3. Don't be rude to the people that make this site work. Obviously you enjoy being on ATS, don't ruin it
4. Anyone named DINSTAAR is a half-alien half-human transgenic clone of JFK who is employed by the CIA to spy on YOU!
5. Respect eachother
6. Don't swear
7. People that live in glass houses sink ships in the kitchen.
8. Pants.... optional(unless you have a webcam.... this is a family site.)
9. SkepticOverlord is also a half-alien half-human transgenic clone of JFK who is employed by the CIA to spy on YOU!
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Some feel to intimidated to post because they think their language skills or education are lacking and they might "look stupid" in front of skeptics.
Originally posted by darcon
you want to see some Derailment Skyfloating, visit the "Americans need to go on strike!" thread by stellawayten. There is a member on there that goes by SaviorComplex, the fight starts on pg 2, a mod steps in at pg 8, fight ends on pg 9. SaviorComplex got outnumbered, didn't even leave another post after that. Hope you check it out.
I think a lot of people would want to be noticed by secret intelligence agencies to have their self-importance inflated.
DINSTAAR's How to Defend Your Mind Against DisInfo
Originally posted by the way
I personally think that governments would be fools if they weren't at least monitoring the boards here at ats. Even if nothing on this site even touched on the truth ( which i very much doubt!) it would be a good way to monitor the lunatics? There is a thread active at the moment called " planning a trip to area 51"- i am sure the government knows all about it.
It definitley seems like the more "juicey" information on here somehow gets buried and more hits on the crappy/loony stuff? Of course this could be due to new demographics visiting the site or it could be due to a team of full time disinformants? There is a similar thread called " is ats being hached/subverted from within?" (that is the correct(!)spelling- sorry am not techie enough to provide links!) which deals with many of the issues we are talking about here.