so shes not a scientist? no formal schooling in atmospheric science?

i am a skeptic of this whole 2012 thing. i think she is trying to make money..thats about it.


kind regards,
digitalgrl

There is to be a polar shift in 2012. Scientists have already proven that, They also have already proven that we are entering the Milky way at the same time amongst many other things. I will get some of that proof together later after I am awake and post it here. Just got up so need some coffee.

Hilda

the polar shift happening in 2012 has plenty of debatable topics.

people, like this woman are suggesting that the polar shift is going to be a scenario of end times proportions...and yet this has not be proven. that is problem i have with this whole thing.

I have only seen non-expert created websites talking devestating effects of it...or wikipedia posts..(which wikipedia is not a valid source). i haven't seen anything on nasa.gov announcing havoc or scientific america magazine, or any other reputable scientific peer journal or review talk about danger in 2012 associated with this at all. if someone can point out to me some quality sources literally stating that we are, then ill be completely open to the idea. until then, im chalking it up to another 2012 hysteria laced theory. and i dont mean this statement in a combative or sarcastic way. which is sometimes hard to tell absent tonal flucuations and what not.

the reason why i said i dont believe this lady is because there is no one else backing her up in the academic community. people who sprout up out of nowhere and say "hey ive studied this for a decade" with no paper trail of credentials to back it up, makes me suspicious. at least someone that is labeled an academic or a scientist from some formal institution has a record that i can examine to tell if they are a crackpot or not. thats why it matters to me. i am fully aware and believe that people can be intelligent in various fields without formal schooling.


Thanks!
kind Regards,
Digitalgrl

[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]

Originally posted by hildar
There is to be a polar shift in 2012. Scientists have already proven that

Eh?

Do you mean the Suns magnetic field will reverse as it does every 11 years? In which case it'll have as much impact on earth as every previous one has. Which is, er nil. Although some say it does cause Man Utd to score more goals ...

Wait, I thought Planet X was coming in 2012? Or some sort of calendar ending? But Pole Shifting...

There's evidence that the poles have indeed shifted in the past, but our ancestors obviously survived it. The speed of the solar wind banging into the upper atmosphere would probably have generated enough charged particles to make a sort of makeshift magnetosphere while the poles 'powered up' again. But I don't think something that massive would happen in 2012, there'd be some strong evidence to show the effects now.

Damn, I feel like such a 'pseudo-skeptic'

Thigs that might happen

1. Myan calendar predicts alignment on the winter solstice 12/21/12, where the earth aligns directly with the Sun and the Galactic Center (but the actual alignment isnt perfect as it's about 6.5 degrees off of a straight line.

2. Science also shows that we are completing one 26 thousand year cycle where we oscillate above and below the Galactic enter "Plane" where gravity affects objects a bit more, which can cause perterbations, knocking asteroids out of stable orbit resulting in posible asteriod activity, also possibly a pole reversal (kind of like going above or below the equator here on earth.

3. Soon the NEO (Near Earth Orbit) Asteroid Apophis will come close (between earth and it's circling sattellites) which may affect us, and potentially be closer or collide on it's nect orbit.

4. Possible overdue Pole switch ranging from 5k years to 50M years where tropics become arctics and vice versa. Crust movement can range ad times from aywhere from hours to months, either way fairly catastphic.

5. Eris / Niburu (Planet X) / Nemesis (Brown Dwarf binary Sol System) may come in range so that they affect our gravity and/or magnetism. Also the Annunaki may return as they geneticly engineered us as slaves so many eons ago. Perhaps they may check up on us.

in many of these cases all items result in a rapid shift of earth weather and activity that can result in similar events to the bibilical sundering of mountains and re-arraging of the planet's surface with our long awaited face lift called "culling of humanity"

I am not sure if I bleieve any of these, but they are all interesting prospects.

2012 will be (or is supposed to be) a high point in the sunspot activity on the Sun, but this has nothing to do with the poles of the Earth.

While a pole reversal is overdue and will likely happen soon, how soon is "soon" is up for a great amount of debate. Most scientists in the field agree that a pole shift of the Earth may occur within the next 1,500 years.

A pole shift refers to the Earth's magnetic field reversing its polarity. If a magnetic reversal occurred today, compasses would point south rather than north.

In the past 15 million years scientists found pole shifts occurred four times every 1 million years. Though this averages out to once every 250,000 years, switches do not occur at regular intervals. During one period in the Cretaceous, polarity remained constant for as long as 30 million years, though this is believed to be an anomaly. The last pole shift took place 790,000 years ago; causing some scientists to believe we're due, while others speculate a reversal is already underway.

Dynamic processes taking place deep inside the planet generate Earth's magnetic field. A core of molten iron surrounds the inner core of solid iron, each rotating at different rates. Their interaction, and perhaps other geophysical processes not yet understood, creates what scientists call a "hydromagnetic dynamo." This self-perpetuating electric field acts in some ways like a gigantic bar magnet. The Earth's magnetic field extends into space for tens of thousands of miles from the planet's poles. It not only protects the Earth from solar radiation but plays a fundamental role in overall climate, weather patterns, and migratory habits of animals. If the poles were to reverse instantly, destruction would be global, from earthquakes and volcanic eruptions to melting of Arctic ice and vast flooding. However, evidence suggests pole shifts happen gradually taking anywhere from 1,000 — 28,000 years. The last four flip-flops took about 7,000 years each.

Evidence for pole shifts came unexpectedly in the 1950s while exploring seafloor spreading along the mid-Atlantic ridge. Here molten material wells up, cools and hardens, creating new sea crust, pushing the old crust outwards. Magnetic particles or iron oxides in the lava act like tiny compass needles, aligning themselves with the magnetic field, leaving a permanent record of the Earth's polarity at the time the crust is created. By reading the orientation of the oxides at various distances out from the point of welling, scientists can "look back in time." What they found was striping or alternating bands -- periods of reversal throughout history.

Some researchers believe a pole shift is underway today because the magnetic field has decreased in intensity as much as 10% - 15% over the last 150 years, with the rate of decay increasing more significantly in recent years. If this trend continues, the magnetic field will be gone in 1000-2000 years. A weakening magnetic field is a precursor to pole shifts, though it's acknowledged the current decay might also be attributable to other unknown causes, or might reverse itself. In the case of a pole shift, once the magnetic field weakens enough, the field directions undergo a near-180 degree switch before strengthening and stabilizing in the new orientation. However, scientists don't really know how long this process takes. What is known is that it takes twice as long at the poles as at the equator. So while compasses at the mid-latitudes might point south after a 3,000-year transition, compasses at the poles would continue to point north for another 3,000 years.

The actual mechanisms behind a pole shift are still unknown. Some theories suggest comet impacts might play a role; others, that the magnetic field is inherently prone to flip-flops. Conclusive answers await a better understanding of the dynamics of this very fascinating geophysical phenomenon.
-wisegeek.com