Reasons For An Eminent War On Iraq & Terroriam

It should be noted that there are grave and pressing reasons for the U.S. (and our U.K. Ally) to press forward with a true and honest dis-arming of the Sadam government in Iraq, among these are:
1. Harboring terrorist groups of diverse backgrounds, giving them safe haven and financial support.

2. Threatening neighboring countries, and thereby causing political discord within these countries.

3. Seeking access to the "weapons of mass destruction"
which have the capacity to inflict Millions of deaths and to totally destabilize much of the world's political order.

4. By the virtue of its (Iraq/Terrorism) threat; already a minor world-economy depression has been effectived.

There are obviously many other reasons that make it imperitive for the U.S./U.K. Coalition to move quickly, decisevely and with great force in bringing Saddam's regime to an end. What is not often stated is that the Iraqi "safe haven" & " financial support" are the tap-root of the middle-east terrorism base and for our survival it most be eradicated.

An example is the spreading of world-terrorism to the far east (Japon, Malaya, Indonesia) please know this is a malignant cancer, and like a cancer it must be incised..
Ted Gieseking

I'm very interested in finding out more about the connection between Iraq and world terrorism.Would it be possible for you to supply a link to evidence of this connection as I have been unable to find one.Perhaps all this time I've been looking in the wrong places.
Thanks in advance JB.

Please give me a break, if those are valid reasons for war, then US should attack a dozen of other countries, some of them are even our "friends" And all of them except Iraq are powerful. And then again, where's the proof ? Remember the Anthrax powder case ? Who said it was Iraq ? And who was actually responsable ? So please provide evidence. North Korea openly admitted they have nukes, so why not attack them first ?

Maybe you don't know that Saddam was once our "friend" ? Maybe you don't know we gave him WMD's so he could defeat Iran ? But he didn't do what we wanted him to do, so he must be eliminated.

Look, just tell me Iraq is on the list of "Strategic American Interest" and we can have a nice discussion.

You know Pakistan is even more dangerous than Iraq ? Musharaf might be seen as a "friend" but his country is very unstable and has nukes. The same way he got to power, others can. So it's just a matter of time before some Taliban derived group will take over Pakistan. And then what ? Tell me, they are only waiting for the first bomb to fall on Iraq, then the hell will break loose.

UN didn't send inspectors just for nothing. Please be fair.

Terrorism is a very very old way to get attention, don't expect to end it by this so called War on Terrorism. Ask England how they ended the IRA terrorism.

and if i said pigs could fly enough times you'd believe that too?

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REASONS FOR AN EMINENT WAR WITH IRAQ

In regards to response from my 1st post concerning the strong likelyhood of a war with Iraq we should consider the additional facts.
Saddam has:
a. Used lethel gas against his own countrymen (Kurds)

b. Had members of his own family killed

c. Produced & stockpiled sufficent V-X and Sarin gas to
kill every person on earth.

d. Invaded the country of Kuwait, killing many civilians,
including children and elderly .

e. When forced to withdraw his military from Kuwait, he
ordered the Kuwait oil-fields be set on fire, therby
causing enviromental damage over a wide area.

f. Used Kurds, dissidents, and infirm (elderly) persons
for Testing of chemical and biological weapons, taking
motion pictures as they died.



These are just a few MORE of the reasons why we (U.S. & U.K.) are standing firm in their resolve to remove this madman from his position as leader of Iraq. And when it
(the liberation) occurs, the Iraqi people will be freed from such atrocities.

I am an American, and I am proud to having served my country in my youth. Our country will do what is right, and in the long run these actions will prove to be right and honorable. God bless the U.S. and our Allies.

Then why don't we line up Russia in our target sites (a country whose sins are far more numerous than Saddam's)?

What about the African nations?

Korea?

Heck, what about CUBA?

There's equal justification for attacking all of them if you use the Iraq logic. At what point does it get down to "we're attacking that country because the dictator there has ugly taste in uniforms and besides he's a horrid dictator and we don't tolerate dictators any longer"??

At what point do WE become the dictator, saying "you better have a regieme that we like or we come in, whack you, and force you to put in someone we like"?

USAF,

What we are asking is what we also do. When we make statements as fact, we provide links to where they can be found. It's the same as a scientific publication showing it's references...

a. Used lethel gas against his own countrymen (Kurds)
as did The US. 1966 I believe the threads around here somewhere.

b. Had members of his own family killed
thats hardly a reason to go to war against a country. Thats a moral opinion about a single man.

c. Produced & stockpiled sufficent V-X and Sarin gas to
kill every person on earth.
and the US and Russia have enough nukes to destroy the world ten times over......should we be bombing them too?

d. Invaded the country of Kuwait, killing many civilians,
including children and elderly .
pretty much every contry in the world has done this.

e. When forced to withdraw his military from Kuwait, he
ordered the Kuwait oil-fields be set on fire, therby
causing enviromental damage over a wide area.
its standard practice to scuttle equipment and destroy areas one is retreating for so it cannot be used by the enemy. a common tactic employed by Britain, america, china etc etc etc

f. Used Kurds, dissidents, and infirm (elderly) persons
for Testing of chemical and biological weapons, taking
motion pictures as they died.
please provide evidence of this.

No one is saying saddam isn't a bad man. he is, however he isn't behaving any more repugnantly than other leaders we're not going to war with.

The US is currently not showing political parity in this matter.





[Edited on 12-12-2002 by Lupe_101]

[Edited on 12-12-2002 by Lupe_101]

Originally posted by USAFSS-SP:

"1. Harboring terrorist groups of diverse backgrounds, giving them safe haven and financial support."

prove it. so far i have seen nothing to prove this point, though it has been repeated over and over.

"2. Threatening neighboring countries, and thereby causing political discord within these countries."

which countries does he threaten? last i heard he was threatening the US if they invaded, that's all.

"3. Seeking access to the "weapons of mass destruction"
which have the capacity to inflict Millions of deaths and to totally destabilize much of the world's political order."

if the West has weapons of mass destruction, why shouldn't anyone else?

"4. By the virtue of its (Iraq/Terrorism) threat; already a minor world-economy depression has been effectived."

bollocks. the world economy problem cannot be blamed upon iraq. at best it can be blamed on the war on iraq, which wouldn't be happening if the US wasn't waging it. if you think that this war is harming the economy, get bush to stop it, right now.

- qo.

Originally posted by USAFSS-SP:

"a. Used lethel gas against his own countrymen (Kurds)"

as has the US, and britain, to name but two.

"b. Had members of his own family killed"

as has the british aristocracy, time and time again. hell, america kills its own citizens, how barbaric is that.

"c. Produced & stockpiled sufficent V-X and Sarin gas to
kill every person on earth."

think lupe hit the nail on the head with this one. the US and britain have massive stockpiles of WMDs of every flavour.

"d. Invaded the country of Kuwait, killing many civilians,
including children and elderly ."

the US invaded afghanistan, killing thousands of innocent civilians, including children, the elderly and even some attending weddings.

"e. When forced to withdraw his military from Kuwait, he
ordered the Kuwait oil-fields be set on fire, therby
causing enviromental damage over a wide area."

the US campaign in vietnam laid massive areas waste. the US has sponsored a massive de-forestation program the world over to produce cheap timber, causing massive environmental damage. the US and britain use massive amounts of petrol, polluting the atmosphere. the Bush energy program calls for massive use of coal and oil power stations, again causing massive environmental damage.

"f. Used Kurds, dissidents, and infirm (elderly) persons
for Testing of chemical and biological weapons, taking
motion pictures as they died."

and we use animals, same dice.

" I am an American, and I am proud to having served my country in my youth. Our country will do what is right, and in the long run these actions will prove to be right and honorable. God bless the U.S. and our Allies."

to quote adolf hitler "History is written by the victor." of course america will do right in the long run, or else america will not exist, so it does not matter.

- qo.

Everyone is talking about how "Evil" Saddam is but have people not taken a look at his friendly little neighbour called Israel. USAFSS-SP belives that we should invade Iraq because he kills his own countrymen. It does not matter if they are his countrymen killing any people is not a nice thing to do, and the last time I look the Irsaelis weren't being very friendly to the Palistinians. The Israelis have been an invading force since the mid 60's and i don't see Mr Bush asking the UN permisson to go and invade Israel. Mr Bush is also concerned because Saddam may have WMD's but so does Israel and aslo they have state of the art equipment to use them with because the USA in all it's glory has been giving them to Israel for the past 20 years. I don't see anyone saying anything when the Israeli army has "accidently" blown up an entire apartment block killing whole familes when it turns out that the person they were after wasn't there. You say that Saddam is crazy? Ariel Sharon is totally NUTS if he could he'd set up concentration camps and stick all the arabs in them. Do you know why no-one stands up against Sharonn because the moment they do he automatically calls them a racist or a Nazi and that they hate Jews because he is Jewish. If you ask me the world is screwed up. the only reason that Bush want's rid of Saddam is to get his dirty little Texan fingers on all that lovely oil underneth Iraq. Fair enough send weapons inspectors into iraq every couple of years to keep tabs on him but just let him be. apart from invading Kuwait he hasn't done anything in the past 10 years because he knows that if he does then he will be removed from power. An invasion of Iraq is economic pure and simple and anyone who thinks other wise is an idiot

Originally posted by quiet one
Originally posted by USAFSS-SP:

"a. Used lethel gas against his own countrymen (Kurds)"

as has the US, and britain, to name but two.

"b. Had members of his own family killed"

as has the british aristocracy, time and time again. hell, america kills its own citizens, how barbaric is that.

"c. Produced & stockpiled sufficent V-X and Sarin gas to
kill every person on earth."

think lupe hit the nail on the head with this one. the US and britain have massive stockpiles of WMDs of every flavour.

"d. Invaded the country of Kuwait, killing many civilians,
including children and elderly ."

the US invaded afghanistan, killing thousands of innocent civilians, including children, the elderly and even some attending weddings.

"e. When forced to withdraw his military from Kuwait, he
ordered the Kuwait oil-fields be set on fire, therby
causing enviromental damage over a wide area."

the US campaign in vietnam laid massive areas waste. the US has sponsored a massive de-forestation program the world over to produce cheap timber, causing massive environmental damage. the US and britain use massive amounts of petrol, polluting the atmosphere. the Bush energy program calls for massive use of coal and oil power stations, again causing massive environmental damage.

"f. Used Kurds, dissidents, and infirm (elderly) persons
for Testing of chemical and biological weapons, taking
motion pictures as they died."

and we use animals, same dice.

" I am an American, and I am proud to having served my country in my youth. Our country will do what is right, and in the long run these actions will prove to be right and honorable. God bless the U.S. and our Allies."

to quote adolf hitler "History is written by the victor." of course america will do right in the long run, or else america will not exist, so it does not matter.

- qo.

Well killing animals is'nt as bad as killing people now is it?

We had some good easons for killing our own citizens i.e. they are criminals. He justs takes them and gasses them. He shot those family members for no reason. He is a sadistic madman. He deserves to die. He is a lying bastard. He has those weapons.

And for Israel, them and Palestine will fight each other forever. They will find a new reason to fight for, after they forget about what they are fighting for.

We can have those weapons because we can be trusted. Iraq, Iran, Korea can't.

Yes this war will cost us alot of money, but we need to do it. This war will happen, and if I have to fight for my country, hell I will. I won't run to Canada and hide like a coward. Cuba is'nt a threat. Fidel is happy, he has his cigars. This is just like threads on the bombing of Japan in 1945. It is sort of like what we did back there. We had to bomb them because they would have fought till they had nothing left to fight with except bamboo.

That always present argument: Saddam has WMD's but so does the US and UK . It flabbergasts me that people canít distinguish the difference and use that as a debating point. Itís just amazing, utterly amazing.

USAF,From your original post:

1. Harboring terrorist groups of diverse backgrounds, giving them safe haven and financial support.

I have not as yet seen any proof of this.Lybia in the past,Yes.Syria,Yes.Even the USA(Think IRA,Central America,Yes.Iraq?Just show me some proof!

2. Threatening neighboring countries, and thereby causing political discord within these countries.

You're right Iraq has done this.But do you remember Grenada?When the USA threatened and invaded a country where the Queen of England is the head of State?Or is that conveniently airbrushed from US history lessons.

3. Seeking access to the "weapons of mass destruction"
which have the capacity to inflict Millions of deaths and to totally destabilize much of the world's political order.

Now your having a laugh.Right?

4. By the virtue of its (Iraq/Terrorism) threat; already a minor world-economy depression has been effectived.

So by virtue of one falsehood and two things the US gov are guilty of.Iraq is blamed for world recession.Are you sure this isn't because of corrupt accounting practices prevelent in corporate America or even proposed tax cuts at a time of economic downturn.I mean,come on!!How far do you wan't to go with this?Saddam blamed for AIDS epidemic in Africa?How about the Bush family drink and drug problem?

For Chistmas how about I buy all of you who are opposed to war, a plane ticket to Iraq. Then I'll have a guy drive you to see the Kurds. Then you can see what Saddam has done to them. You'll also see all the others things he does.

We cannot trust Saddam! We've obviously known that since Desert Storm. He had over a month notice about the inspections that gave him more than enough time to hide his WMD, Whether it was either in some bunker type complex a mile underground or else were. Now there's reports that he's had links with Al-Qieda, whether you guys like it or not, it looks like war will be eminent and unavoidable. The sad part is though, we wont see his WMD's until he starts using them on our soldiers. Yeah, I'm very patriotic and proud of my country, but I disagree with going to war. This will be a devastating and catastrophic war with tons of casualties....

Well of course many will die. But the will not die in vain, we can win. We are the most powerfull country on them planet.

Do we really win when hundreds maybe thousands have died? Just because good ol' Bush feels Iraq is a dangerous threat? Even when no hard evidence has been brought against them? Do we really win after we get attacked by WMD with possible cities destroyed with massive amounts of death? Yeah, we are the most powerful country in the world, but that wonít stop the bullets from killing and the bombs from exploding. This war will be nothing like what we did in Afghanistan. And what do we do after we've defeated Iraq, when the thousands have died in the US, and in Israel and the rest of our allies? I tell you what will happen, other counties and terrorist organizations that hate us will attack us too, like North Korea and Al-Qieda. That's the only way they can bring us down, and that is when we are weak. Before we go to war I think we should try every alternative solution to disarm Iraq.

Originally posted by Midnight Mutilator: He had over a month notice about the inspections that gave him more than enough time to hide his WMD, Whether it was either in some bunker type complex a mile underground or else were.

MM,You are aware that the US has satelites watching for any suspicious movements.I'm not denying you could be right but then the US would realistically know about it.If you are saying that the US does not know of it then you must except also that the US Gov are misimformed about other imformation they have garnered from surveilence.

Now there's reports that he's had links with Al-Qieda,

I can't believe you claim this as well.If there is a link then give us a Link just don't expect everyone to believe it just because Donald Rumsfeld started a Rumour.

JB, I realize that the US has a great Intelligence program, but satellites can't keep track of everything that is going on in that country. Who knows, maybe we do know were his WMD are and Bush just hasnít decided to release that information to the public. Yet. I guess we wont find out until the bombs start dropping.