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reply posted on 10-2-2004 @ 02:32 PM by John Nada
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by John Nada
and that to me shows a lack of integrity.

So... to publicly disclose exactly what happened and how demonstrates a lack of integrity?

To offer an "inside" position to the person providing the third-highest amount of funding for ATS shows a lack of integrity? (Would taking the money and running have a better level of integrity for you?)

Can you explain why it would demonstrate a better level of integrity to accept a significant offer of financial assistance, and not provide anything in return?


I've already posted what my problem is about and it isn't any of the above, read my posts again please.

Oh, and to answer your other question. You didn't offer Springer anything, he asked for access in return for his money and not the other way around. He bought his way in, end of story. If you had offered him that AFTER the money was given then I wouldn't have a problem at all.
In fact I still don't have problem even if it's the other way around...(I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself but please read my earlier post)...

...what I do have a problem with is certain people trying to pass this off as a donation and charity from Springer and thanking him, when in fact he asked AND got something for his money.

If that's the way it works here then fine, it's not my board, but don't start a thread thanking him for his charity when it was no such thing.
All I'm asking is for you to not pass it off as something that it's not.


reply posted on 10-2-2004 @ 03:29 PM by Voice_of Doom
On one hand, I hear a lot of poor-mouthing about how much it costs to run ATS. Bandwidth costs, upgrade costs, Security costs, IT costs. The site goes up...it goes down...up...and down...and now you're forced to "break the rules" to get the financing needed JUST to keep going.
Yet on the other hand. There's two threads going around about "record posts" over the last two days. The consensus from those being that this is a GREAT thing.

"Good gravy what are we going to do with 500,000 posts?
S.O. you better build a shed to store 'em all in!
This is awesome, the more the merrier I always say. Think of the miriad points of view and multitudes of minds ATS is attracting.
This could REALLY become something HUGE" - Springer

"-- 2333 -- the numbers keep rolling in
Yesterday, our members smashed our previous one-day post-count record...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
2,333 posts for February 5th, 2004. This broke the previous one-day record of 2,007 on January 21st, 2004.
Way to go members!!!" - Skeptic Overlord

There's also a thread asking people not use the "quote" function so much as its depleting bandwidth and hogging space.

So what gives? Do you want all the traffic or not? Is the poor-mouthing just a routine for soliciting funds from "eager beavers" drooling to be "on the inside", or a con for the Google advertisers?
I have become confused with what ATS is about. Are you aiming to be the biggest "conspiracy" site on the web? If so why? Does "ad hits" and "web-traffic" really allow us to "Deny Ignorace" better?
Why is there such a push for "ATS legitimacy" from the outside world with such obvious examples as ATSNN? Why has that become so important? Why are we trying to get bigger and bigger when there's NO money available?

Perhaps the members should be let in on the grand plan for ATS. The people here tend to be smart, educated and are obviously loyal. It might help to CLEAR THE AIR with them.

- The Village Grouse
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