Weird skull like thing near Opportunity

i understand your stance on this kano, as well as yours robertfenix. it is true we shouldn't jump to conclusions, but i haven't heard a reasonable explanation from anyone as to how this object could have dissappeared if it's not alive.

im not professing this to be truth at al, but since nobody has brought this up yet, i think it's hihgly possible that if it is alive, as a way to escape the radiation, and possibly find h2o for oxygen, couldn't it live underground. is it possible thats where it is now, and why we can't see a trail of where it went?

Did you read my post above? I touched on that. I don't think it burrowed or crawled because there's no trails. The original marks from Spirit are still looking fresh, 33 days later, so I think any trails or burrows would be obvious.



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Its possibly some sort of underground type thing it comes out maybe only in the morning if at all. Maybe there are thousands of them and different sizes. The one we first say was pretty big, you did not have to zoom in on it very much to see the details, why do you think NASA took all those images of it on SOL 2.

It could be that we are seeing a variety of sized objects that are coming up through the sand. I dont know. But I know the one I just posted from SOL 13 by the lander. LOOKS like its leaving a trail behind it, like its moving the surface sand as it moves away from the lander.

Originally posted by Zzub
Did you read my post above? I touched on that. I don't think it burrowed or crawled because there's no trails. The original marks from Spirit are still looking fresh, 33 days later, so I think any trails or burrows would be obvious.



[Edited on 6-2-2004 by Zzub]

yes i noticed, but it doesn't make sense to me that if the wind could carry an object that big into the air without leaving a trail on the way up, then the wind should be powerfull enough to blow sand up as well, which would most likely cover those airbag imprints.

and if you look here the airbag impressions are still visible, but it does look as if the lines across them have faded, which was most likely caused by wind. unless its due to image quality, or direction of light or whatnot? you would know that right?

With all the talk about possible explosive bolts, plastic clips, and whatnot that might explain the white 'rabbit' object, I decided to look for similar objects around the earlier Pathfinder lander. I did find something very similar in the Pathfinder panorama linked below. Look to the right side of the lander about 2 feet away from the end of the ramp. The detail is very poor, but you can see some white X-shaped thing with a sort of spiral to it.

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

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You know, you're right. I sit corrected. They don't look as fresh as they did. Perhaps this site has more wind or different soil to the Spirit site, where they seem to look pretty fresh still.

I hope they figure this out. It's in my mind all hours of the day, I can't come up with any explanation I'm happy with. My wind scenario is just the result of me not having though of any other alternatives and finding it hard to untrain my mind from Earthly physics.

As I said, freeform thinking. I can't see it not leaving trails if it was being blown, but I can't think of anything else.

I'm going to go sit in the pub behind my house for an hour to ponder this. *grabs coat and logs off*

yeah baby, now that's what I am talking about, more pictures to analyze. and speculate on!!!

Condorcet, can you enlarge the object and post the pic of just it, I can't seem to find what you are mentioning in the pic you posted.

Originally posted by robertfenix
marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov...

look above the rock formation about middle and to the right a little, outside the crater rim. Do you see the whitish structure that appears to raise into the air a little ?

do you see that black dot in the air??? what is that???

another speck of dust??? hey robert check the other pics, is that dot in the others??? I'll go see what I can find.

It's a speck on the lense.

If Kano isn't going to give me my contrail find, you're darned sure not gonna get a dark spot find.

Originally posted by Condorcet
With all the talk about possible explosive bolts, plastic clips, and whatnot that might explain the white 'rabbit' object, I decided to look for similar objects around the earlier Pathfinder lander. I did find something very similar in the Pathfinder panorama linked below. Look to the right side of the lander about 2 feet away from the end of the ramp. The detail is very poor, but you can see some white X-shaped thing with a sort of spiral to it.

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

[Edited on 6-2-2004 by Condorcet]

i dont have any image enhancement software, but that looks like the same type of object to me. can anyone enhance and zoom in on this?

val

dunkleskates: I will as soon as this feeble 56k downloads the file for me

Btw dont get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if either Rover found conclusive evidence of life (especially current life) on Mars. It would be one of the biggest discoveries in human history. But as exciting as it would be, it is folly to immediately assume anything that strikes us as strange in the picture is proof of life.

It would be fantastic if that was a little Mars-Crab. While the rovers mission is not to directly search for life, if life popped up in front of it it would not (could not) be ignored. The ramifications of a single Mars-Crab are simply too enormous.

Originally posted by Kano

val

dunkleskates: I will as soon as this feeble 56k downloads the file for me

Btw dont get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if either Rover found conclusive evidence of life (especially current life) on Mars. It would be one of the biggest discoveries in human history. But as exciting as it would be, it is folly to immediately assume anything that strikes us as strange in the picture is proof of life.

It would be fantastic if that was a little Mars-Crab. While the rovers mission is not to directly search for life, if life popped up in front of it it would not (could not) be ignored. The ramifications of a single Mars-Crab are simply too enormous.

YEAH! Then we could sell t-shirts like this!

i couldn't agree more, Kano. and i appoligioze if a came off as offensive while arguing my point, as it wasn't my intention. i think it is very important not to jump the gun to avoid foolishness, but most importantly to maintain the integrity of ATS, which you worked hard to expose to NASA, and everyone watching the whole color alteration. it would be a shame if an act of irresponsibility such as spamming NASA destroyed our integrity in the eyes of all

I have looked at the pan picture from Spirt. And do see the object, it is cross shaped (having four prongs) and some type of streamer towards the top. But after looking at the light affects on that vertical panel and looking at the light reflection on the surface of the big rock by the lander kind of below the cross shaped object I think its either

A. part of the lander that came off as it appears to be highly reflective and possibly covered with a foil like surface

or

B. Its crystaline structure in a hermatite rock(s) that is reflecting the sun light in a pattern that appears to make a cross. Based on the fact that areas surrounding the "cross" are still visable while the cross structure seems to be somewhat blurred as if light refracting off a crystaline type structure.

Remember this is Spirt now that we are looking at and just as the pan picture from Opprotunity we know there are "bits" of the lander spread about the landing site.


[Edited on 6-2-2004 by robertfenix]

I think I found what dunkle is referring to:

Is this is d?

that would be the one. it has the same color scheme, and the same extremities as the first object. i wonder if this one will disappear too?

Thats from the Pathfinder/Sojourner Mission, not either of the current ones.

The current rovers are much much larger and look different, they also don't have cameras on the lander itself.

damn. i guess our only hope is to find the opportunitys object, or maybe another one. id be willing to bet a few points that if we do see another, it wont stick around.

very interesting WHY HAVE NASA not said anything about this?

BRING IT TO the Television NEWS attention plz needmore public news on thesepictures then more truth from nasa will flow.

sorry to go back to the subject of how this thing if it is life would survive without oxygen, but I found this article about life on earth that breaths rust and others that breath minerals. I know that oxygen has to be present for rust to form but I just found it interesting that life does seem to find a way in all circumstances.

heres the link
www.csmonitor.com...