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This is not true. Older manuscripts are not considered as not subject to corruption just because they are older, and many older manuscripts are corrupted on purpose, because evil men have always been evil and have always done such things; just the same as many different translations today are not translations at all, but are re-writings of the Word to change/corrupt doctrine, on purpose [like the Watchtower Bible and Joseph Smith's version both do].

The apocrypha was included in the Greek Septuagint, which was the 'Bible' [collection of books] most commonly in use among the Jews, at the time of the coming in flesh of Christ. Other books were used by tudious Jews than those which were collected in the Septuagint translation.

The author of Hebrews is familiar with the Book of Enoch, from which he gets information for several of his themes, and uses the Septuagint version, in his letter 'to the Hebrews'. Enoch was not in the Septuagint, but it was in use and quoted in the NT just as the Book of Jasher [ a chronology of the tribes of Adam through Noah, to Abraham, and down to Joshua], and the Book of Jubilees were also in use, and both were quoted from in the NT.
The True Jasher is a true history -there are fakes [the true is online at ccel.org], but Jubilees is by no means sacred inspired Scripture, as it has contradictions to the OT, but it was used by many of the Jews after the return from the dispersion, and Peter quoted from it and got a lesson from the Holy Spirit about the error of doctrine which he believed, from Jubilees, which Peter refers to in Acts 10:28


Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:, the author
"A body hast thou prepared Me" is not in the Masoretic text in the Hebrew, but is in the Septuagint, which is translated from the Hebrew. So the Hebrew text we have is corrupted, in that in Isaiah the passage states 'my ear hast thou opened' instead of " a body hast thou prepared me". Corruptions are few, however, and the Dead Sea Great Isaiah Scroll is in agreement with the AV version of Isaiah as to all points of doctrine, and with only minor, unimportant, differences.
The Great Isaiah Scroll from the Dead Sea collection is available to read online in English and to compare with the Masoretic version. I can't find it at the moment, but I have and have read from it but not all of it, myself.

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Dudael means Great Desert or Fiery Caldron. Some speculate that it can be Negev in Israel...

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Azazel must represent Death.

I don't know if it was really a fallen angel or an angel performing a duty for God. I do know that Azazel is where we get the expression "scapegoat."

The two goat sacrifice (only one gets killed) performed on Atonement Day is done because it shows that God is bound by his own law. This is why Azazel (Death) is sent away because the price is paid in full.

Take this scripture for instance about the payment to Death.
1 Corinthians 15:56
"The sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law."

Also one scripture says the payment of sin is death.

Everyone must die because that is the law. Azazel must be paid. He gets paid in full when Jesus is put to death. However, Azazel hasn't cashed out his entire winnings yet. The symbolic angel of death following the four horsement of the apocolypse probably represents Azazel also. Near the final judgement hour Death is captured and thrown into the Lake of Fire, where he can never return. This Lake of Fire is not the same place where Satan and his demons go for a 1000 years. The death that is thrown into the Lake of Fire is the death from Adam and Eve.

Hi Neo Christian Mystic

I found this related to your "Flawed and Utter Lies" quote. As Psalm50 explained perfectly imo i will add to best i can with my knowledge.


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Cheers Psalm50 for the link and the correction/s. Still studying all this as i believe the same as you. You are correct on 1 Enoch, it was not hidden. I was just trying to say the "average" Christian never knew about all gospels/books, some cases a lot still do not know about all the books. Well in my case at least. I was never told about them while growing up and followed what i was shown, but as a person grows spiritually we get some decent help from The Supreme to stay on the path.

Glad to get that info from you, i am never too old to learn



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In 1 Enoch, You'll find the word Azazel is the name of the fallen Watcher to whom all sin is given [not that he brought sin to earth, but that to him all sin is "given", meaning he gets the wages paid to him for all sin, which is torment in the Abyss of fire forever and forever and forever.
The goat chosen by lot "for YHWH" on the day of atonement was sacrificed. The goat chosen "for Azazel" on the day of atonement had all the sins and iniquities symbolically laid on him by the high priest's laying on of hands to him, and confessing the sins and iniquities of the whole nation over him.
Then the goat chosen for lot "for Azazel" was sent away alive, into the wilderness, taking those sins he was bearing away, to give them "to Azazel" who is bound, there, as the book of 1 Enoch states.
On the day of Atonement which was fulfilled completely, once, for all in Adam, at Passover, when Jesus was the Passover Lamb for the world, His soul also served as the goat sent away with all the sins and iniquities of the whole world [whosoever will identify with his removal of their sins by Him] laid on Him by the Father [Isaiah 53 fulfilled]. He took those sins and iniquities which He bore for us, away, "to Azazel", and gave them to him who was bound and cursed to receive them all. Azazel will be eternally tormented -forever and forever- in the Abyss for those sins -his wages.

From the OT, there is no reason to translate the name "Azazel" as "scapegoat" from the Hebrew to the English, but that the translaors didn't understand the purpose of sending the goat away, bearing the sins and iniquities, "to Azazel", and they did not understand it because they did not read the book of Enoch -nor the ancient Jewish writings which discussed it. Their ancestors in the western world banned it about 400 years after the NT Church was well established and had used that book, called it Scripture, and had quoted from it. But today we have it back, and we know who Azazel is, and why the goat bore the sins away, to where he was bound.

The ancient Jews did read it and did once know it -before they also went astray.






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Actually your wrong, it was Semyeza, his name also means rebellion.
Azezel and the goat thing is pretty interesting though, I'm going to research that.

-Jimmy