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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Again, Europe, an entire continent, vs USA, a country. Hhahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! It takes an entire continent to take on USA? You people are sad, I guess that is why we are a mega power, and you are not. Why not US vs England? Or US vs Mexico? No, cause USA would win hands down. But an entire continent? Well, then maybe USA would lose. HAHAHAHAHA!!!! you people are sad, needing an entire continent to take on the USA. And the person that said Europe would win since they've been in more wars? Everytime England went to war with US, they lost. When Europe has gone to war in the past 100 years, the USA always comes in and cleans up the mess. Sorry, but again, it is sad you people need to say an entire continent against US, who would win?
Originally posted by ulshadow
and like someone said
a whole continent aganist one country!!! thats not fair! and if europe loses assuming no nukes it would be really sad... really
Originally posted by James the Lesser
Again, Europe, an entire continent, vs USA, a country.
Originally posted by KiwiGael
The leading nation of the EU war-machine will be the German Govt', and throughout history we see that Germany pulls no punches when it comes to a fight - anybody heard of 'blitzkrieg' and 'total war'? I expect a Hitler type leader emerging out of the woodwork within the next 10 years.
Originally posted by KiwiGael
The Brits, and Aussies will aid the US . There's still a lotta animosity between the German Govt' and UK/USA. There's still many active and influential neo-nazis who pose a real threat.
Originally posted by KiwiGael
If such a global war does occur, it'll ignite in the middle east - I suggest keeping a close eye on the activities in that region, especially those involving the EU and its pseudo-religious/political ally, aka the Vatican...
Originally posted by Lonestar24
Probably you didnt think of the relativities... Of course a single country of Europe couldnt act against the USA, because you have a population of 300 million people (and the resulting large economy, combined with a gigantic and resourceful soil). The most populated country in Europe is Germany with 80 million people. This is not sad, this is a matter of fact. And because of these facts this thread is about Europe vs. USA, it indeed takes a whole continent to face another (nearly) whole continent, how much countries these continents consist of is of secondary importance.
No..., the US is half of a continent... but if all the european countries combine then it would = a USA... One US state = about one EU country.
Ok, Lets assume that A. this war will only be fought between common European countries and USA without any other allies on every side; B. that no nukes would be used, because then both sides will have disastrous losses. The so-called secret weapons will only have a marginal effect if any at all because in a massive conflict like this the sheer number of equipment is the decisive factor (bearing comparable training on both sides in mind).
Secret weapons will have a big effect. if you don't know what your enemies has then you don't know what to fight back with. sheer number in moden war don't mean much.
If Europe was to invade the US then it would take a long time to even get there (you know, theres a huge navy in the way...), and even then it is unsure whether any significant ground can be taken within the US. There is a lot of land-based defense systems that would stand a long time against any invasion, and even then the country is not occupyable because the american population will be armed to the teeth by then. Result: massive genocide, levelling of the cities.
If EU do that then US going to do that. Since you said dense pop then US bombing will be more effective than the EU bombings of the US.
If USA was to invade Europe they would have to launch carrier based attacks. Any attacks launched from european or asian bases will be quickly stopped by destroying those fragile encampments. The problem for the carrier groups is that if they come close to european shores they will have a hard time against the submarine fleet. These would not attack directly but rather the supply routes. That way the carrier aircrafst would have to limit their fuel and ammunition need. Europe again has rather secure airbases very far back in the mainland from where they can launch counter-attacks and defensive CAPs. The problem of Europe would be the dense population, meaning that every succesful bomb raid by US Aircraft would have a severe impact on structures AND population.
A carrier battle group is not easy to destory... and US might want to hunt down the sub fleet before the carrier battle groups get to the shores...
Then again, what we wouldnt see would be massive bombardments of B52s, they would be shot down like flies. B2s would also stand no chance against a tight air defense, stealthy or not, they ARE detectable and can only be launched far away, reducing the bombload and thus effectiveness.
I think the US will take out the air defense before going in with those big B52's. and why would B-2's stand no chance? did EU invent something that detect sealth....?
IF it comes to a land.based invasion then it would be a bit easier for the troops to advance than the other way round since europe isnt as heavily armed, especially to the west. But sooner or later they would face the joker of individual countries troops: they are used to the specific landscape of their country, they have standing and short supply lines, there are plenty sources for oil within europe. I dont think the US troops would come very far.
US troops will last a pretty a long time...
Bottom line: Invasion of the USA IS possible, but with no gain to the invading countries since most of the infrastructure AND the people would have to be destroyed. Invasion of Europe is impossible because of the limitations of supply lines for the US troops.
If invadsion of europe impossible then the invasion of US will not be possible too... and you make it sound liek the US have no submarine fleet or something, If EU can sink US supplie ships then the US can do the same thing.
[edit on 13-6-2005 by Lonestar24]
Originally posted by John Pearce
Lol, OMG, this is the most ridiculous thoguht... But, IMHO nobody would win! We live in the nuclear age, and even if we had a war without nukes, the losing side, whichever that might be, will retaliate with nukes before they are compeltely overrun and end the world anyway. Answer = a war agaisnt the USA by Europe/rest of the world and vice vera WOULD end in the extinction of the human race... FACT.
Originally posted by ulshadow
We all know that, we are just saying that what would happen without nukes! cause we know with nukes no one wins the there will be end of discussion.
Originally posted by John Pearce
Originally posted by ulshadow
We all know that, we are just saying that what would happen without nukes! cause we know with nukes no one wins the there will be end of discussion.
Oh right... hmm, in the unlikely event of that happening, easily a coalition between the rest of the worlds countries could defeat the USA if they all united. Sheer manpower, resource, weaponery, expertise, and technology would simply over-run the USA.
Err... bit of a silly, irrelevant, and hyperthetical question me thinks?...
Originally posted by ulshadow
of course the world would never united to destory the USA...