Debunkers, What about the E4B Doomsday Plane

Theres no question now....

That before the smoke even began to rise from the pentagon that a E4B United States Air Force jet was flying around the restricted airspace(p56) over DC on 911. Yes, no one will admit to it in the FAA, AF, our gov. or any other agency. But without question it was there. For all the debunkers that claim that secrets especially large ones about 911 cannot be kept between large groups....well heres one. Because the E4B is no small 747 and has a very large crew(64) let alone its passenger carrying ability(50). This plane was confirmed over the pentagon reportedly before the smoke began to even rise from the pentagon attack, so we can almost certainly bet that they (the E4B) most likely witnessed the attacks(probably have it filmed) considering that it would normally be in a very high altitude going around 600mph. Instead of doing low and slow banking turns over the white house and the pentagon at the precise moment of the attacks. Then promptly doing a vanishing act from history until now.

Many questions though...

As to why this so called "Doomsday" plane was able to be over DC before the fighters were. Why hasnt anyone admitted to this plane being over DC? What was it doing there anyways at the exact time flight 77 reportedly struck the pentagon? Is there really a top secret video of f77 hitting the pentagon? Who were the guests on that E4B that day? Lastly, what else dont we know that is being closely held about that day that was in plain site but yet that they(the officials) wont admit to no matter what...and no one else seems to be talking about (People on that E4B, whistleblowers, all the people the debunkers think would never keep a big secret about 911) where are they all at.

Theres alot more information concerning this E4B over DC on 911 here:www.journalof911studies.com...

Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
As to why this so called "Doomsday" plane was able to be over DC before the fighters were.

There is always a looking-glass plane in the air, which is why it was able to be on station so rapidly. For a fighter they have to be fueled, prepped, pilot briefed, and launched. It’s always faster to send an aircraft that is up then to try to launch one. When the Mig defected from Cuba, and was flying up toward Florida, they used a pair of F-4’s that were in Georgia to intercept it rather then trying to get anything off the ground here in Florida, as it was faster.

Originally posted by defcon5
There is always a looking-glass plane in the air, which is why it was able to be on station so rapidly.

That has been changed. There is 1 aircraft on alert not in the air.

en.wikipedia.org...

The 24 hour alert status at Andrews AFB ended when President Clinton ordered the aircraft to remain at Offutt unless needed, though relief crews remain based at Andrews, and Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. One E-4B is kept on full alert at all times.

Question to the OP, you start your post by saying that there is no question now that this plane was flying around and then go on to say that all the official agencys deny it. However, I`m not sure where you are getting your conclusive evidence from? I have to admit I`m not wholly conversant with the 911 consiparcies but would interested to know your sources for this.

Originally posted by cassini
I have to admit I`m not wholly conversant with the 911 consiparcies but would interested to know your sources for this.

There are a few sources. Here is 1.

en.wikipedia.org...(airplane)

There is some speculation that the "mystery plane" seen flying over the White House on 9/11 was some newer incarnation of Project Looking Glass. Maj. Gen. Don Shepherd (Ret.), speaking on the cable news channel CNN on September 12, 2007, stated that the plane circling the White House on 9/11 resembled an E-4B, and appeared to be equipped with the same communications pod typical of the "Doomsday plane." As noted above, however, this term can also refer to Nightwatch aircraft.

Amazing how a wikipedia article saying that some people (and we know who those people are) speculate that such a plane may have been flying around becomes "there's no question about it."

Basically any evidence, no matter how sketchy that supports a Woo theory is as good as Gold. No credibility or reliability required. However any evidence such as 10,000 pages of scientific research like the NISt report, etc are simply unacceptable. Funny how that works.

If you click my link at the bottom of my original post it links you to a PDF called "Why did the worlds most advanced electronics warfare plane appear over the White House on 9/11" It is fully sourced with all his information, which is where I based most of this post on. The E4B was not supposed to be in the air after 9:03am on 911 being that all the war games were shut down at that time. Besides as stated before everyone says that the plane wasnt there. Period. FOIA's for the radar tracks that day from the Secret Service and FAA have been requested but with no luck yet. The PDF is well researched it was a nice read.

Originally posted by snoopy
Basically any evidence, no matter how sketchy that supports a Woo theory is as good as Gold. No credibility or reliability required.

If you would do any research at all you could have found several other sources on the E-4. But i guess you too afriad to do any real research because you might get proven wrong.



[edit on 21-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Stillresearchn911. Why do you want debunkers to answer your questions? Do you think debunkers are privy to more information than anyone else?

originally posted by sr911

That before the smoke even began to rise from the pentagon that a E4B United States Air Force jet was flying around the restricted airspace(p56) over DC on 911.

Why do you believe it was in the the restricted airspace before flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Why would any Air Force jet not be allowed into restricted airspace when the country is under attack?

Originally posted by Boone 870
Why do you believe it was in the the restricted airspace before flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Why would any Air Force jet not be allowed into restricted airspace when the country is under attack?

The point is, if it was in the airspace before the attacks, and if it needed to be there if it was not part of an excercise.

National Emergency Airborne Command disclosed years ago that E-4B's were in the air over the North East at the time of the 9/11 attacks, participating in a major exercise involving US nuclear forces.

Brig. Gen. Kevin Coppock
"Well one of the primary purposes of those airplanes is to provide strategic command and control for the President, for the Secretary of Defence and the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff with the major military command centres. And so having them up fitted that purpose perfectly. They were already up so we used them that way".

Mentioned in a BBC documentary "Clear The Skies" in 2002.

Part 1 : video.google.co.uk...

Pert 2 : video.google.co.uk...

Originally posted by Niall197
National Emergency Airborne Command disclosed years ago that E-4B's were in the air over the North East at the time of the 9/11 attacks, participating in a major exercise involving US nuclear forces.

What excercise, i know there was some excercises going on but none about involving nuclear forces?

US Strategic Command at Omaha were conducting an exercise that morning involving US nuclear forces, an exercise abandoned when news of the attacks came in. The video links, especially part 2, give a little bit more info.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


There were two NORAD exercises on 9/11.
Vigilant Guardian
Global Guardian
which were combined exercises.

Northern Vigilance was also a NORAD exercise to counter Russian bomber activity occurring in the Arctic region.

Originally posted by Boone 870
[There were two NORAD exercises on 9/11.
Vigilant Guardian
Global Guardian
which were combined exercises.

Northern Vigilance was also a NORAD exercise to counter Russian bomber activity occurring in the Arctic region.

Yes i know of these, but was there a reason to have an E-4 in the air?

Also Nothern Vigilance pulled several of our aircraft out of their normal patrol area to watch a russian excercise. We have airborne and spaceborne platforms for that.

[edit on 21-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

originally posted by Ultima 1
Also Nothern Vigilance pulled several of our aircraft out of their normal patrol area to watch a russian excercise. We have airborne and spaceborne platforms for that.

What do you mean by ''normal patrol area''?

What good are airborne and spaceborne platforms if you don't have fighter aircraft to counter a surprise attack?

We know that there are 4 E-4B in the inventory. Strategic Command claims that there were three airborne on September 11, but they do not say if they were airborne before the attacks started.

They say that one was airborne for the exercises occurring that day. So now we need to account for the other two.

Originally posted by Boone 870

What do you mean by ''normal patrol area''?

What good are airborne and spaceborne platforms if you don't have fighter aircraft to counter a surprise attack?

They say that one was airborne for the exercises occurring that day. So now we need to account for the other two.

Aircraft were pulled from thier normal bases to a forward base to monitor the Russian excercise.

The airborne and spaceborne platforms are to monitor excercises that were going on, what surprise attack were you expecting?

Why did they need a E-4 in the excercise that day?

originally posted by Ultima 1
The airborne and spaceborne platforms are to monitor excercises that were going on, what surprise attack were you expecting?

That is a rather odd question ULTIMA1. Northern Vigilance is an exercise that is ran to counter Russian bomber activities in the Arctic region. This exercise is ran in case it is a surprise attack! You really should do some research.

Why did they need a E-4 in the excercise that day?

Well, since the E-4B is under control of the JCS and the US Strategic Command, I would say that the US Strategic Command was using it for the purpose it was designed for, airborne command and control. Global Guardian was a US Strategic Command exercise.

Back to the E-4B's.

One took off from Wright Patterson Air Force Base after the attacks started.

Minutes later, an E-4B National Airborne Operations Center - a white 747 Jumbo Jet often confused with Air Force One - took off from Wright-Pat for an undisclosed destination. It returned later in the day. Wright-Pat is one of a few designated bases for the flying command center.

Link

Think of it in this sense, why would the planners of this attack(jews, etc) want to possibly foil their plans by sending up a plane to early? This is kind of a silly theory.

Here's more information on the E-4B seen over Washington.

According to Dan Verton, it had just taken off from an air base outside of Washington, DC and was part of a scheduled exercise.

Black Ice: The Invisible Thread of Cyber-Terrorism is the source and here's the link.