The Aspertame Lawsuit (Equal Sugar Sweetener Is Toxic!)

if you want sources to prove why aspartame is good, visit the companys website.
if you want sources to prove its bad, you will tend to rely on scare tactics sources.

both are bias, and provide a point of view comparable to a race horse with its blinkers on. (charging full steam ahead with tunnel vision)

just like the guy a few pages back who showed water to be toxic to prove the point that there are many tainted sources which can prove anything that anyone wants to prove.

heck, i could find a link on Ihatetheinternet.net saying internet forums cause cancer, doesnt make it true. it just makes it a bias site loaded with worthless info.

what would be refreshing is if there was a thread that people used peer reviewed, untainted sources and had to prove the OTHER guys point of view.

sources like aspartamekills.com, healthfreakcentral.com, scareyfoodsyoushouldnteat.net, and my favourite eatnothingbutcelery+carrot.org will only provide bias, tainted examples. And from the anti-aspartame camp that is all we have seen, is scare tactics and fear mongering from sites which you can tell have an axe to grind just in their domain name alone (aspartamekills.org, reliable and untainted? oh cmon now! - just one example)

99% of the genes of mice? but i dont have a craving to gnaw on power cords and leave little poop's under my fridge. and i dont run and hide when you turn on the kitchen light late at night.


i just noticed on my snickers bar "may contain traces of nuts". WOW! it *MAY* contain *traces* of nuts? im glad the alarmists got a warning put on it, i'd hate for someone with an allergy to consume something marketed as a peanut filled choc bar and find out they had an allergic reaction because it may have contained traces of nuts.

oh and for the record, i absolutely hate the taste of artificial sweeteners but what i hate more is when people use bias websites with an obvious + blatant agenda as a "scientific" and untainted resource. that tastes worse than aspartame and the likes.

...use whatever 'websites' you like as I snicker at a argument based on scientific-findings. It's pretty simple, especially when your health concern 'group' says things like this, in a 60 page report, um, two weeks ago; and refer back to a post about how long it took the FDA to realize smoking is bad for someone, let alone the fact that this report, from them, pretty much admits to a lot of toxic contaminants, mind you, they're vague about (insert a pronoun):

"FDA science dearth puts public health at risk"

Water? Dangerous? Sure, so is anything to the body, but the 'ol brain is 75%+ water and humans kind of need water to survive -- point being, each individual should decide what's true health.

Laugh at the mice gene stat all you want to, but the stat remains -- human/mice will SHARE 80% of diseases. |::

[edit on 19-12-2007 by anhinga]

Originally posted by anhinga
point being, each individual should decide what's true health.

Exactly what I've been saying...

Laugh at the mice gene stat all you want to, but the stat remains -- human/mice will SHARE 80% of diseases.

Well, it is laughable. Do some more research, you'll find that mice get cancer easier, and are also cured easier. And not sure what you mean by sharing 80% of diseases, perhaps you mean 80% gene similarity, and again, you ignore that we share a similar amount with FRUIT FLIES. We share over 90% with primates, but the 10-20% that is different sure cause quite different outcomes in organisms, wouldn't you say? Would you say you share 80% of your physical characteristics with a mouse? What about a fruit fly? I think not.

Originally posted by NRen2k5

Listen, if you find errors on Wikipedia, FIX THEM. That’s the great thing about an open-source encyclopedia.....

(snip)

....Which is why Wikipedia has a policy on citing your sources of information.

The "great" thing about Wiki that you mention above isn't that great. Yes, you should cite your sources. But many, many more arcane topics do not get visited that often, and many sources are left uncited for lengthy amounts of time. Sure, it may not be the entire article...but if you fill in enough "truthy" facts among the true facts, you get a muddled picture.

With all this open source "correcting" going on, one has to wonder how long it could take for the stated reality to mirror the common reality?

The possibility of "truthiness" is frightening. Wiki is a good source...but unless you can verify it elsewhere (away from people who may not have full understanding and create a plausible but incorrect belief system) it should not be thought of as accurate.

Our food supply is poisoning us. Plain and simple. I don't eat/drink aspartame for the fact that it tastes like crap. I prefer sugar, and couldn't care less about my waistline (thankfully).

But research it. Look into milk. Milk is possibly the single greatest evil perpetrated on our own children in our history. Beef isn't much better.

Children hitting puberty in first grade isn't the way it should be. Why is cancer rampant in our nation? Do you remember so many children being hospitalized with severe asthma when you were younger? I don't...and now it is common enough to impact about 60 of my 300 employees. How come the skeletons we dig up have better teeth than we see in our current homeless? Did they have flouride in THEIR water?

Humans are idiots. We have gotten knowledgable enough to "tinker", and we have no clue as to the impacts of this tinkering. If they do this with our food, what the hell are they doing with the military???

Remember "global cooling" in the 70's? The scientific leaders wanted to do things like dump iron into the ocean to boost plankton, and melt the ice caps? There is always some bright idea for staving off the "alarm du jour"

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. Quit acting like it is ok....it isn't. "Be the change you want to see in the world." Besides...i don't like the way my head feels when it is in the sand.



[edit on 22-12-2007 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Interesting post. Some good points, some bad, and some just kinda off-topic.

My only nitpick is about the fluoride. It might be bad for us, but I don’t think it’s the reason why homeless people have such bad teeth. I think that’s because there’s so much sugar in the modern diet and especially in their diet. And of course that they’re mentally unstable and don’t wash.…

reply to post by MurderSmurf


Sugar doesn't drive cavities (at least not according to somewhat recent findings). Sugar likely doesn't help, as it provides an easy food supply. But, sugar is more likely to drive cancer instead.

One thing that has been found is that there are bacteria that are mostly responsible for tooth decay. The primary time for infection is between 6 and 18 months, and is spread usually from parents/siblings via shared eating utensils/cups. But, in my case, my teeth are bad due to the loss of my tooth enamel from the overuse of antibiotics when i had chronic ear infections as a toddler. Different causation.

I am unsure that craziness has anything to do with tooth decay. It might have something to do with overall hygeine...but it would seem that the real problem there is that teeth are not able to withstand the environment that they are faced with. My wife is a psych nurse. She thinks that the tooth problem is more from the rough diet and less from sugar. Sugary foods are not as easy to come by as what is gathered, due to finances.

..enjoying the NFL playoffs? Liking those Diet Pepsi Max commercials?

Here's the latest on aspartame in the news, as the dark ages continue & people intentionally poison themselves:

IS Our Government Poisoning Our Food?

British grocers to stop using said product:
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk...
www.ft.com...

New Zealand's anti-campaign:
www.scoop.co.nz...
www.scoop.co.nz...

An, please do the rest of us a favour and stop eating entirely.

Originally posted by anhinga

You're nuts, seriously, I'll spend all day doing research on this, never, I mean never BELIEVE Wiki on anything -- the Minister of Info?!?! Forget 'em -- there's been study after study about this poison -- also, Nutrasweet IS said to have chlorine in it -- look that up too.

Unless you're believing everything YOU read, that last poster is a disinfo agent, no one, I mean this, do the research, I worked as a file clerk for a law firm handling some of these cases, NO ONE should EAT these products.

Do the research, not just the Minister's site. People can manipulate those "facts" easily, this is already know and I wish people would research that and stop including those links, unless it's black/white info.

No offense to you previous poster should you just be believing the government's version of these toxic substances.

I bet you shop all organic too. Pawn.

I come to my own conclusion that anhinga FAILS to do anything besides make posts based on her own beliefs.. not facts.

Update:

There is good evidence that cola beverages can increase the risk of kidney problems, more so than non-cola sodas.

www.nytimes.com...

Another update. Noticed this site has a 'aspartame in the news 2008' section:

www.mpwhi.com...

There are numerous links exposing the controversial nature of this chemical; also, looks like the Philippines are moving to ban, here's that bill:

www.mpwhi.com...

Lastly, a Rense page that mentions the state of Hawaii is working on a ban too:

rense.com...

....fighting the good fight here. Another update; and to all my naysayers, are these MSM sources good enough for you yet, or should we go back to the drawing board? | | | |

"News You Can Use: Regulating Your Saccharin Intake"
www.abcnews.go.com...

"Sugar Substitutes May Contribute to Weight Gain"
www.washingtonpost.com...

"Can Artificial Sweeteners Increase Weight?"
www.cbsnews.com...

"Just Desserts: Artificial Sweeteners Linked to Weight Gain"
www.sciam.com...

"Rats! Artificial Sweeteners May Lead to Weight Gain"
blogs.wsj.com...

Originally posted by anhinga

Update:

There is good evidence that cola beverages can increase the risk of kidney problems, more so than non-cola sodas.

www.nytimes.com...

Um, okay. What exactly does that have to do with aspartame???

Another update. Noticed this site has a 'aspartame in the news 2008' section:

www.mpwhi.com...

Did you read any of those articles?? Your links are getting more and more ridiculous as time passes, here's one of my favorites..."HEATH LEDGER: WAS DEATH DUE TOO PSYCHO DRUG IN DIET COKE AND INTERACTION?"
www.mpwhi.com...

Psycho drug in diet coke? I love it. Thanks for the laugh.

....fighting the good fight here. Another update; and to all my naysayers, are these MSM sources good enough for you yet, or should we go back to the drawing board?

What exactly are you fighting?? ANd yes, we should go WAY back to the drawing board. Those sources are saying it may lead to weight gain, again, using rats. Let's look at what one of your sources say...

Researchers speculate that over time, reduced-calorie sweeteners like saccharin, aspartame, and sucralose condition the body to no longer associate sweetness with calories, thereby disrupting its ability to accurately assess caloric intake.

This disruption may, in turn, lead to overeating, they note.

"If this is the case in rats, there is little reason to think that humans don't have this same response," researcher Susan Swithers, Ph.D. tells WebMD. "It is possible that consuming these products interferes with one of the mechanisms that helps to regulate weight."
www.cbsnews.com...

(emphasis mine)

So, what it basically said, was that they think people will start to think subconciously that all sweetened foods have no calories, and lose their inhibitions when it comes to eating high calorie sweets...jeezus, this is just going all over the place isn't it?



[edit on 13-2-2008 by 27jd]

I've nothing to offer this topic other than my *own* personal experiences as a consumer of aspartame.

I began drinking diet sodas (coke, pepsi, diet rite) back in 1996 as a means to help myself lose weight. I was alot younger back then, and ignorant about nutrition.

I would say I consumed at least 1/2 of a two litre bottle daily of diet soda. I'm not much the water drinker.

In 2000, I started having severe pains in my joints. It began with my wrists, my knees, and spread into my knees and ankles. I went to the doctor, who then ran a series of bloodwork on me. When he couldn't find anything other than slight anemia, he insisted on a full body CT scan, to be on the safe side. Nothing was found. And there were no answers as to why I was in pain on a daily basis. Evenutally I had a spinal tap done to rule out other diseases. Meanwhile, I was placed on Celebrex for the pain.
After a couple of months of living in pain, it went away on it's own.

In 2003, the pains returned, along with dizziness, ears ringing, vertigo, and gastrointestinal issues. Again, I went to the doctor who sent me to an ear, throat, nose specialist. The ETN found nothing, so I went to a gastro specialist, and they found nothing. So it was chalked up again as.....one of those.....things, those mysterious things I get and then it's gone.

In 2005, I started having blurred vision, restless leg syndrome, and gastro issues again. It got to the point where I was living on Immodium AD. When the spells of blurred vision came more often, back to the doctor I went. I was tested for diabetes, and another assortment of medical problems. Then, one day I woke up....walked toward the bathroom....and my eye sight was nearly gone. It faded out to nothing but shadows and light. Within the hour, it returned, but it never was restored to it's full capacity to this day.

I was admitted to the hospital to find out what was going on. Nothing could be found as an organic cause for what was happening.

In 2006, I began having severe joint pain like nothing I had experienced before. I could barely walk it was so bad. I was having pain in the bones of my feet. I felt as if I had severe arthritis, but I didn't have this. I didn't want to run back to the doctor because they started treating me as if I were hypochondriac. I mean, my doctor literally would throw up his hands when he came in the door and saw me.

It wasn't until the latter part of 2006 I made the connection that diet soda consumption was causing my health problems. I had read an article that aspartame in diet sodas caused one to crave more food. And being I wasn't losing weight drinking diet soda, I decided to go off it. I went off of it cold turkey.

I was cranky, sick, angry, had insomnia, shakes, chills, and dizziness that first week of detoxing off of it.

It took two weeks of being off of it to notice that....the pain in my joints had eased off greatly. My vision was slightly better, however this is the one thing that never recovered.

As of today, all of my symptoms have not returned, but I am afraid that the vision will not be restored completely.

I went to my regular dr about my suspicions that aspartame was the problem, but he laughed that off. He said aspartame was safe. Well if all of the symptoms go away once you remove a substance, what does that say?

I decided to fire my doctor and go see a naturopathic dr for the first time. Not only was this man an ND, he was an MD from Stanford. When I sat down to talk with him about aspartame he immediately acknowledged what I had figured out. And he did state that aspartame is toxic and that I was poisoned with it.

I write this because, I happened upon this thread and I wonder if anyone else out there suffers with anything remotely the same while drinking or taking in aspartame products. I hope my personal story will help another.

I know it's toxic. I don't need scientists to tell me otherwise.

Originally posted by anhinga
....fighting the good fight here. Another update; and to all my naysayers, are these MSM sources good enough for you yet, or should we go back to the drawing board?

"Sugar Substitutes May Contribute to Weight Gain"
www.washingtonpost.com...

"Can Artificial Sweeteners Increase Weight?"
www.cbsnews.com...

"Just Desserts: Artificial Sweeteners Linked to Weight Gain"
www.sciam.com...

"Rats! Artificial Sweeteners May Lead to Weight Gain"
blogs.wsj.com...

Please, continue to fight the good fight. I can tell you that I put on almost 72lbs while drinking diet sodas. It never occurred to me that I felt hungrier while drinking them. I'm experiencing a slow weight loss after stopping them.

Anyone who hasn't grown up under a rock, knows that sugar and processed sugars can be very unhealthy, leading to obesity and other serious health problems when consumed in excess.

I'll take my chances with the sweetener that people are only suspicious of, versus the sweetener that everyone knows for a fact can have negative effects on your health.

Thank ya.

No matter if its coke light or normal coke its unhealthy thats facts both of them, so either if you against or pro on this issue we can all agree that soda is pure poison for you.

But as going so far to state that is not poison and is safe to use is basic madness sorry to whom i offend by this statement.

look Here and also here here for some reports around aspartam, and ofcourse keep in mind that aspartam is patented by Montesano who own a great deal of senators and gov. who helped getting this poison passed the FDA. Also i read somewhere that aspartam was on US biological/chemical list up till around 94 if i recall correct.

One of the first thing that should set people off about Aspartame, is the fact that Donald Rumsfeld was in charge at some point. Wow, the Defense Minister, I'm sure he's got everyone's interest at heart!

reply to post by Asherah


As I've said over and over, there are some people, who have adverse reactions to some foods, medicines, etc., that most others don't. I'm sure you can eat peanuts, right? Some people can die after eating just a trace of a peanut if they don't recieve immediate medical intervention. So, are peanuts "poison"? You may very well have adverse reactions to aspartame, after all it is made up of an amino acid, and your metabolism may have a hard time with it. Google PKU, perhaps you suffer a mild form or variation of it, as with many who report such symptoms.

Also, go back and read the pages and pages of contradicting studies, hyped up scare mails, etc. on this thread, and you will see that there are several University studies, not government paid researchers, but University medical centers and doctors who are very often at odds with the government and have nothing to gain, and everything to lose credibility wise, by publishing false info and toeing the FDA's line. For the majority, aspartame causes no effects. I've consumed it for years and feel fine. The conspiracy would have to be so vastly far reaching, that it would be impossible to maintain.

And what's the gain of poisoning everybody? Don't they need every able bodied American to fight their wars of global domination? Why would the U.S. government be plotting to kill us all, when out of the other side of most of your mouths most of you claim they are gearing up for WWIII? With the massive population of China, and Russia's attempts to explode their population it seems it would be in their best interest to keep us all in top shape. Not to mention, if we all die of brain tumors, who's gonna keep buying their products? Some people see a conspiracy where there just isn't one, and that is unfortunate cuz it takes focus off the legitimate ones, IMO.