Myanmar forces open fire on protesters Update 13 dead :Troops occupy Buddhist monasteries, Internet

Myanmar forces open fire on protesters

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YANGON, Myanmar - Myanmar security forces opened fire on Buddhist monks and other pro-democracy demonstrators Wednesday for the first time in a month of anti-government protests, killing at least one man and wounding others in chaotic confrontations across Yangon.

Dramatic images of the protests, many transmitted from the secretive Southeast Asian nation by dissidents using cell phones and the Internet, riveted world attention on the escalating faceoff between the military regime and its..

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9 Killed in 2nd Day of Myanmar Crackdown



Myanmar troops occupy Buddhist monasteries

YANGON, Myanmar: Myanmar troops occupied Buddhist monasteries Friday to confine monks who have spearheaded protests against decades of military rule, raising concerns they may be preparing to intensify a deadly crackdown on civilians.

Residents said the government also appears to have cut all access to public Internet — which has played a crucial role in telling the world about the pro-democracy protests.
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Well the situation has deteriorated quite a bt now. They seem to have taken a page from the Chinese Communists in the art of brutal rebellion supression. This is the first major class and now we wait to see if the protestors return in the face of such brutality. According to reports some of the dead are monks which could enrage the population further. The current government is finding it hard to supress news getting out due tot he web and proliferation of cellular phones.

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Japanese Journalist Killed


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Among the dead was journalist Kenji Nagai of the Japanese video news agency APF News. Japanese broadcaster Fuji posted a photo on its Web site showing a man believed to be Nagai lying on his back — apparently wounded in the chest but holding a video camera in his hand — with a soldier pointing a gun at him at point-blank range.

this is nuts.. I mean all the demonstrators are non-violent right? Or am I misinformed about that?

Originally posted by scientist
this is nuts.. I mean all the demonstrators are non-violent right? Or am I misinformed about that?

When seeing things like this, I get slightly more forgiving against the USA actually. At least they only use tazers, and most of the demonstrations are still allowed. What happens in Burma by their government is truly disgusting.

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There are reports that the protestors were throwing bottles and rocks. But to respond with automatic weapons fire :shk:

This just happens a day after Bush called for sanctions to this government in his speech to the U.S., that's basically a slap in the face.

I truly hope the U.S. does not gets involved in this issue, just to see how many other countries take the lead in this issue.

A sobering article

Odds against monks facing Myanmar troops

From what I understand it is china that should start facing some responsibilities on this issue, but we know know they wont dont do nothing about it as usually, the western world got to start taking a stand and not be afraid of going to war against china, we can push the red button to a send a couple of thousand megaton tripple RRR bombs on them and that will be it. It will be very important to take out the himalayan valleys with specially designed bombs that work a little like dry ice does, a special radioactive dry ice, china relies very much on winning a nuclear war because thier military is very wellhidden in the himalayan valleys. Also the formula that howard hughes bought from albert einstein for 10 million dollars which permits 9 times the speed of light technolgy needs to come out of that secret swiss vault a little bit earlier than 2026 so that we can build a very special weapon to take china out real fast. All this said, I really worry what that mean regime is doing to the monks tonight. You think your mad now, wait and see when we find out what they are doing to them. China must be very carefull now because something very powerful will fall on thier heads. They wont believe how fast they will loose the war.

Originally posted by Bunch
This just happens a day after Bush called for sanctions to this government in his speech to the U.S., that's basically a slap in the face.

I truly hope the U.S. does not gets involved in this issue, just to see how many other countries take the lead in this issue.

Sounds like somewhere could do with some 'liberty' and 'democracy'...

Burma, a resource-rich country, suffers from pervasive government controls, inefficient economic policies, and rural poverty. The junta took steps in the early 1990s to liberalize the economy after decades of failure under the "Burmese Way to Socialism," but those efforts stalled, and some of the liberalization measures were rescinded. Lacking monetary or fiscal stability, the economy suffers from serious macroeconomic imbalances - including rising inflation, fiscal deficits, multiple official exchange rates that overvalue the Burmese kyat, a distorted interest rate

Link to CIA factbook entry on Burma

Hey! They have oil too!



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Thanks ejhoover for the cia factbook link. Just unbelievable, I found the import parteners percentage statistics interesting, I see now why china at 36 percent, is turning a blind eye, followed by thailand, Im looking at the dams hmm fine place for airstrikes. The news media needs to show the world what the regime is doing about thier human trafficking abuse and the forced child prostitution going on there. I need to think about what could hurt that regime badly, I dont think sanctions is the key. I do believe china will back off when they see how serious the world will hopefully get about solving the problem. Dont forget they pressured North Korea only because japan was threatening to arm themselves with nuclear weapons if North Korea continued with their nuclear program. I think by pressuring china once again it might resolve the problem. Anyways loved the cia factbook link you provided ejhoover.

Myanmar troops occupy Buddhist monasteries

YANGON, Myanmar: Myanmar troops occupied Buddhist monasteries Friday to confine monks who have spearheaded protests against decades of military rule, raising concerns they may be preparing to intensify a deadly crackdown on civilians.

Residents said the government also appears to have cut all access to public Internet — which has played a crucial role in telling the world about the pro-democracy protests.
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French oil comapny will not pull out

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Originally posted by FredT
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There are reports that the protestors were throwing bottles and rocks. But to respond with automatic weapons fire :shk:

Even catapults with stones... burning govt vehicles. Just imagine happening in front of the Whitehouses with crowds of a hundred thousand. What would the Govt do... already grannys are arrested just for reading the constitution.

Why is this anyone's business? This in an internal issue for Myanmar unless the the government is Islamic, then we should pound them into the stoneage.

China is the key to ending the violence.

Some MP's in the United Kingdom feel we should threaten to boycott the 2008 olympics if China does not act.

However, the Chinese did say a few public words yesterday and I do feel the government is probably putting pressure on the background channels as well.

India needs to act.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown is to hold talks with the Chinese Premier today to get China to act.




[edit on 28-9-2007 by infinite]

Agreed Infinite...

Lets hope some gentle persuasion towards the Chinese might sway them to have a friendly chat with the Burmese Govt and convince them the way they're going isn't necessarily the best way to handle things...

On another note, has internet traffic in and out of Burma officially been turned off ? Have been unable to substantiate this apart from usual news sources...Surely someone has a satellite link out of the place or something ?

Peace

The Juntas are saying that the undersea cables were damaged, thus no internet.. who knows...

Anyway, to ask China to intervene Myanmar.. is like asking US to rein in Israel. China is concern about US taking over the Myanmar to contain China, or rather encircle China. Myanmar's oil/gas industry is also in US corporation's radar.. and you know what that means... and this inturn concerns India.

Both China, India and Russian have some stake in Myanmars oils industry.. supplies much of China and India needs.

Originally posted by mobydog
China is concern about US taking over the Myanmar to contain China, or rather encircle China.

Errmm...no. You are WAY off the mark.
It has nothing to do with that. This isn't about the United States.

China fears a democracy in Burma because it will spread to Loas, Vietnam and then China i.e democratization of the area.

Anyways, China will act (it has already come out twice and told the Burma government to restain themselves). It doesn't want a problem like this on her doorstep, especially since the Chinese are trying to the use the olympics to demonstrate their international status as a respected country.

When I say "taking over" I meant influence... it's no secret that the most exile burmese organisation are US finance. These group will no doubt find their place in Myanmars political systems.

I don't you feel, sometime is in play. When the protest started, the first thing US did was to call for sanctions. The people od Myanmar is already feeling the crunch of the fuel height.. a sanction will make their live more miserable. What is the intantion if not regime change ? That was alos the reason for the Junta to move their administration capital out of yangon to their more centralise location.

[edit on 28-9-2007 by mobydog]