ah, the rare on-topic, logical debate.

Thank you for the response.
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by scientist
I'm not interested in technical reasons for anything, when promises were already made:
Well, if your not interested in "why" fibre to your house is technically a complete waste of time and is so cost prohibitive, then why the
bitching?
OK, let me be more reasonable. I understand the downfalls of fibre, and the implications of converting our system over to it. The most obvious
answer is a hybrid of copper and fibre. There are already small ISPs that offer this, but again the major companies all promised to develop this on
their own, hence tax cuts, and the mergers. Those mergers were only allowed, because they were going to take the costs of R&D, and implementation on
their own - so that the government did not have to intervene.
Well, it never happened, since they have a monopoly on the industry. only a few small, local companies like SureWest offer consumer level connection
speeds that are up to par with th rest of the world:
SureWest is able to offer this unmatched Internet speed by delivering 100 Mbps of bi-directional bandwidth to each customer's home on its FTTP
platform, leaving room to bundle video and voice services as well. With over 190,000 total marketable homes over its combined copper and fiber
Broadband networks, SureWest can offer the 50-meg product to 52 percent of its Broadband service territory.
a electircal conection using coaxial cable can give you a speed of 140Mb/s.
Right, but as soon as the connection goes to wire, it's now bottlenecking the speed for all other connections in the particular leg of the network.
That't the hybrid part they never did. Also, we are so far behind, do you think 140 is really going to cut it in another 5 years even? 10?
The cost of laying fibre in the UK comes to about $90,000/KM. Not sure about the US, but I would assume it is around the same mark. Now, imagine this
cost on a national scale.
Right, which was the incentive for the tax breaks / merger (the ONLY reason the merger was allowed to occur between AT&T, MCI and Bell) in the first
place - the networks would develop this on their own, as opposed to government funding (we have a war to fight! but i digress..)
Even with the increasing bandwidth, you won't just be able to download excessive amounts as there is only finite capacity.
care to explain? I don't understand what you were getting at.
When was that plan put in place? Do you know anything about the industry at all? I bet that plan was announced pre-2001.
i am not ignorant, if that's what you were getting at. How about some sources:
www.isp-planet.com...
The Bells promised fiber optics, an open network with 45 Mbps to every home, collected hundreds of billions of dollars, and failed to deploy.
In some cases, they even built advanced networks before the passage of favorable legislation and then ripped them out after the laws had
passed.
Now, regardless of when this was announced, or how the industry changed - it's quite obvious that it was never the intention to develop the networks
as promised. It was a financial loophole, that was exploited for profit (the merger!), and ultimately (as we are now seeing as the US sinks in
connection speed compared to the rest of the world) will hurt all the consumers here. The businesses that can afford the high speed connections have
nothing to worry about, but PROMISES WERE MADE!
Bandwidth usage and speed are two different things. You can have a uber-fast connection, but you'll find that no matter what speed you are
given, there will always be a limit on exactly how much you can download. I will bet that those "lucky" orientals with their 100Mb/s connections
probably still have usage caps and a fair use policy. There is, after all, only a finite amount of bandwidth to go around.
i fail to see how this is relevant. If ISPs are sending out notices and charging more for their "unlimited" plans, then blaming it on over-usage,
then it's just as much their fault for not being able to handle a single person's bitTorrent. We're not talking about 50 people using torrents on
one line, but maybe 2-3 people max using torrents from a single connection.
But, as you said, your not interested in the technical reasons, so I', not going to bore you.
Only reason I don't care about the technical details in this particular context, is because that's the exact reason for the tax breaks / merger (the
ONLY reason the merger was allowed to occur between AT&T, MCI and Bell). It's technical, and expensive, and complicated. So thats why the plan
existed in the first place! $200 billion dollar plan! That's not a small fund by any means, and would have been more than capable of upgrading what
we have now.
Instead, just accept that you can have a fast speed, but you cannot download 100's of GB's a month without someone complaining your hogging
bandwidth.
lol, another classic ATS assumption. You couldn't be farther from the truth. see, i have the added bonus of being a third party observer. I have
no personal stake in this, other than seeing 10 years into the future where we (consumers) are paying out the ass, just to keep up with connections
overseas. Other than that, I couldn't care less, as I download 300+ GB per month, and have done so for the past few years without a single
complaint, hiccup or extra fee. So don't worry about me, please just read that link I posted.
[edit on 11-9-2007 by scientist]