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New discoveries at dig sites in Middle Asia are rocking the archeological world and redefining the origins of modern civilization.
Archaeologists have thought that modern civilization began in Mesopotamia, where the large Tigris and Euphrates rivers bounded a fertile valley that nurtured an increasingly complex society.
The social structures, wealth and technologies of this society slowly spread along the Nile and then the Indus rivers in the 3rd millennium B.C.
But further exploration of two nearby mounds found evidence of a large city, one that may have rivaled contemporary Ur in Mesopotamia. "These people were trading with the Indus, with Mesopotamia, to the north and south," Lawler said.
According to Carl Lamberg-Karlovsky of Harvard University, the site dates back to 4000 B.C.,
"They were in communication, but creating their own vibrant cultures," Lawler said, "developing their own pottery styles, art, and possibly their own writing system."
The potential discovery of a new writing system was perhaps the largest controversy of the many discussed at the conference. Three tablets, the first discovered by a local farmer and the others subsequently unearthed by professional archaeologists, appear to contain a unique iconography.
During the previous excavations in Kopandeh Tepe in Isfahan, archeologists succeeded in identifying a 6000-year-old civilization near Gav-e Khooni swamp. So far, archeological excavations near Zayandeh Rud River in the city of Isfahan resulted in the discovery of some earthen architectural remains and residential settlements as well as three skeletons which were buried in residential dwellings. Now archeologists are determined to resume their excavations in this historical site to find more about this ancient civilization.
Painstakingly extracting the five-centimeter- (2"-) long rectangle from the trench wall’s packed clay, the archeologist turned it to the sunlight. Amid faintly inscribed lines and images of human and animal figures, he was amazed to discover what appeared to be an unfamiliar form of writing.
As the author of a three-volume history of Mesopotamia and a leading Iranian authority on the third millennium BC, Madjidzadeh has long hypothesized that Jiroft is the legendary land of Aratta, a “lost” Bronze Age kingdom of renown.
"The ancient city in the mid- to late 3rd millennium B.C.E. covered more than 2 square kilometers, dominated by a large citadel flanked by a massive stepped platform to the north," the story says. "A room excavated last year in the citadel includes a 2-meter-high brick human torso, ochre paint still clinging to the surface. The sculpture, says Madjidzadeh, is the largest of its kind from that era."
At a second site, northeast of Jiroft, researchers have found the remains of "a bustling metropolis between 2550 and 2400 B.C.E., as large as 150 hectares and with at least 380 smaller sites in the surrounding region." Evidence suggests the as far back as 3000 B.C.E., the city benefited from long-distance trade. "Artifacts from that era include lapis from Afghanistan, shells from the Pakistan coast, vessels imported from the Indus, and game boards in the style of those found in Ur," Lawler said.
archeologists generally agree, he says, that a distinct civilization is characterized by unique monumental architecture and by its own form of writing.
Originally posted by mojo4sale
Perhaps the definition of a civilisation needs to be adjusted then Byrd.
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archeologists generally agree, he says, that a distinct civilization is characterized by unique monumental architecture and by its own form of writing.
It would seem that a written language has been one of the main distinctions of a 'civilisation'. How would you describe a civilised society.
Originally posted by Byrd
I still think it's kinda colonial of them, but I'm a quirky critter.
Originally posted by Byrd
Hmmm... interesting to think about. Every "solution" leads to other questions. If you say "has more than one permanent living site and had a recognizable type of artifacts, then city-states like early Athens get kicked out.
Anyway, now we know what they mean. It eliminates some sites, but it gives a bit of a standard.
Originally posted by Byrd
Over here, we can make up our own darn definition. And perhaps we should!
Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Actually, the very first sophisticated human civilization was located approximately where St. Louis, Missouri, USA, is located today. Of course, it doesn't look like much now, since the glaciers came and scrubbed it nice and clean. Look for remnants of the huge fortresses as chunks of wood and dirt debris left in the Ozarks.
See, because "advanced civilizations" have to make things out of stone, you know. Wood and earth don't count.
[edit on 10-8-2007 by SuicideVirus]
Civilisation: is the tangible expression of a communal understanding.
Settlement from nomadic life meant possessions could be accumulated, land could be individually owned. Laws, the state and armies were developed to protect possessions and inequality.
Intensive agricultural techniques, such as the use of human power, crop rotation, and irrigation. This has enabled farmers to produce a surplus of food that is not necessary for their own subsistence.
A significant portion of the population that does not devote most of its time to producing food. This permits a division of labor. Those who do not occupy their time in producing food may instead focus their efforts in other fields, such as industry, war, science or religion. This is possible because of the food surplus described above.
The gathering of some of these non-food producers into permanent settlements, called cities.
A form of social organization. This can be a chiefdom, in which the chieftain of one noble family or clan rules the people; or a state society, in which the ruling class is supported by a government or bureaucracy. Political power is concentrated in the cities.
The institutionalized control of food by the ruling class, government or bureaucracy.
The establishment of complex, formal social institutions such as organized religion and education, as opposed to the less formal traditions of other societies.
Development of complex forms of economic exchange. This includes the expansion of trade and may lead to the creation of money and markets.
The accumulation of more material possessions than in simpler societies.
Development of new technologies by people who are not busy producing food. In many early civilizations, metallurgy was an important advancement.
Advanced development of the arts, especially writing.
Anthropologists distinguish civilizations, in which many people depend on agriculture for food and live in cities, from band societies, in which people live in nomadic, semi-nomadic groups, or tribal societies, in which people may live in small semi-permanent settlements.
Also, in addition to a variety of specialist artisans and craftspeople, civilizations are all characterised by a social elite, whose status is inherited from birth.
This common thread is control. Civilization is a culture of control. In civilizations, a small group of people controls a large group of people through the institutions of civilization.
Originally posted by mojo4sale
Any thoughts or additions to this?
Originally posted by pavil
Please elaborate on that. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Glacial ice sheets didn't get that far south at least around the time any meaningful groups of coordinated people were living in that area.
Originally posted by SuicideVirus
For instance, if my local gas stations and supermarkets suddenly closed down, it would be pretty difficult for me to get food. I'm not a hunter or farmer, and I'm not in the habit of sustaining myself. I need other people to supply me with food and clean water. Otherwise, I have to become a scavenger/predator to survive. Civilization is gone.
Mehrgarh, one of the most important Neolithic (7000 BCE to 3200 BCE) sites in archaeology, lies on the "Kachi plain of Baluchistan, Pakistan, and is one of the earliest sites with evidence of farming (wheat and barley) and herding (cattle, sheep and goats) in South Asia."[1]
Early Mehrgarh residents lived in mud brick houses, stored their grain in granaries, fashioned tools with local copper ore, and lined their large basket containers with bitumen. They cultivated six-row barley, einkorn and emmer wheat, jujubes and dates, and herded sheep, goats and cattle. Residents of the later period (5500 BCE to 2600 BCE) put much effort into crafts, including flint knapping, tanning, bead production, and metal working. The site was occupied continuously until about 2600 BCE.[2]
The community seems to have consisted entirely of domestic housing with open areas for dumping rubbish. There are no obvious public buildings or signs of division of labour, although some dwellings are larger than the rest and bear more elaborate wall paintings. The purpose of larger rooms remains unclear, though some sort of ritual purpose is suspected.[1]
The population of the eastern mound has been estimated at up to 10,000 people, but population totals likely varied over the community’s history. An average population of between 5,000 to 8,000 is a reasonable estimate. The inhabitants lived in mud-brick houses
Although no identifiable temples have been found, the graves, murals and figurines suggest that the people of Çatalhöyük had a religion that was rich in symbol. snip...In upper levels of the site, it becomes apparent that the people of Çatalhöyük were gaining skills in agriculture and the domestication of animals. snip...The making of pottery and the construction of obsidian tools were major industries. Obsidian tools were probably both used and traded for items such as Mediterranean sea shells and flint from Syria.
Originally posted by pjslug
I would imagine that the oldest "advanced" civilizations are still hidden under the oceans, some that may be 10,000+ years old. There may even be some that were over 100,000 years old but could have been lost to massive flooding or continental shift, maybe even weapons of mass destruction.
Originally posted by pavil
It seems wherever conditions were right, mankind setup shop and decided to abandon the nomadic way of life and that to me is the start of civilization. That would explain all the Delta areas being prime candidates.
Originally posted by plumranch
What would be interesting is if these/ this newly found site has archeological evidence in the form of writings that relate to those of the better documented areas in the Gulf region.
The potential discovery of a new writing system was perhaps the largest controversy of the many discussed at the conference. Three tablets, the first discovered by a local farmer and the others subsequently unearthed by professional archaeologists, appear to contain a unique iconography.