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Originally posted by 23432
Hello to all ;
I am going to be at CatalHoyuk next week .
I have not been there since 1978 .
There are many sites found around the Gulf with similar gods, similar cultures, etc. The gods in those days were visible and got around a lot. Not much was overlooked by them. It would not be a surprise if Catalhoyuk was involved in their "rounds"! The sites stretch from Egypt through present Isreal, Syria, Iraque, Iran, Persia to India and perhaps further.
Quote by mojo:
If some form of written communication is found at Catalhoyuk however then things will get really interesting.
The tell (mound) of Ubaid (Arabic: عبيد) near Ur in southern Iraq has given its name to the prehistoric Pottery Neolithic to Chalcolithic culture, which represents the earliest settlement on the alluvial plain of southern Mesopotamia. The Ubaid culture had a long duration beginning before 5300 BC and lasting until the beginning of the Uruk period, c. 4100 BC. The invention of the wheel and the beginning of the Chalcolithic period fall into the Ubaid period.
The Uruk period (ca. 4000 to 3100 BC) is the protohistoric Chalcolithic to Early Bronze Age period in the history of Mesopotamia, following the Ubaid period. Named after the city of Uruk, this period saw the emergence of urban life in Mesopotamia. It was followed by the Sumerian civilization. The late Uruk period (34th to 32nd centuries) sees the gradual emergence of the cuneiform script and corresponds to EB I.
The city of Perperikon has been inhabited since around 5000 BC, while a nearby shrine dedicated to Orpheus, near the village of Tatul, dates back to 6000 BC and is older than the Pyramids of Giza.
Human activity in the area dates back to 5000 B.C. The first traces of civilization on the hill date from the Bronze Age, while the ceramics found on the place date from the Early Iron Age, as well as the impressive round altar, almost 2 m in diameter, hewn out of the rocks.
The sanctuary is an oval hall roughly hewn in the rocks. It has a stone altar bearing traces of the numerous fires lit there. This is the sanctuary of Dionysus, or rather of Zagreus (the Thracian name of this Greek god), a site archeologists have spent 100 years searching for.
Originally posted by dawnstar
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the main reason that the Middle East got the designation of the "cradle of civilisation" had more to do with the religion of those earlier archeologists who were mainly from european countries.
these same archeologist also tended to throw findings that didn't seem to mesh with their views into dark storage rooms to be forever forgotten.
I think it's a human trait all scientists exhibit every now and then...a bias toward this belief or that, and then a search to prove that belief is right, often ignoring anything and everything that might prove it is wrong
1. Having a highly developed society and culture.
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3. Marked by refinement in taste and manners; cultured; polished.
reply to post by queenannie38
blatant example we have, IMO, is that of Egyptology. It is basically a contaminated field of study because it was built upon imagination instead of true open-minded scholastics.
For the last several years, archaeologists have been steadily working to excavate a network of dozens of temples that are believed to be older than the pyramids in Egypt, and even older than Stonehenge. More than 150 gigantic monuments have already been identified and unearthed beneath fields and cities in Austria, Germany, and Slovakia. The temples are built from wood and earth and are surrounded by fences and ramparts that extend for thousands of feet. The fortifications and buildings, built between 4800BC and 4600BC, are believed to have been constructed by a civilization based on farming and agriculture.
As archaeologists have worked to excavate these Stone Age temples, they have also unearthed several other intriguing mysteries. Each complex was used for only a few generations, and the central sacred area was always almost exactly the same size. And each circular ditch enclosing a compound required the removal of the exact same volume of earth, no matter what the diameter of the circle was. They reduced the depth and/or width of each ditch compared to the diameter of the circle, so that the volume of dirt removed was always the same for each circle.
Originally posted by mojo4sale
europes oldest civilization
(about measuring volume) Would this require some sort of mathematical ability to calculate how much earth needed to be removed from ditches of different sizes so that the amount was always equal. If so that would be fairly significant.
Originally posted by Byrd
I hope you can do some followup on this. It looks interesting. If it's an active dig, someone may have a website on it. You'd think that monuments would have made some sort of news event, though.
Originally posted by mojo4saleMost of the links i've been able to find i wouldn't even consider posting here. Unfortunately white supremist nut jobs jumped on this find and are using it to further their own agendas.
It doe's seem odd though that more information on this from reputable sources is difficult to find.
Originally posted by plumranch
Interesting queenannie! Would you mind expanding on this or giving examples? I probably agree. Thanks!