Article about FEMA quickly taken off MSNBC regarding Katrina Trailers

They took it off MSNBC but it's still on google cache

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here is the link but not broken

The Cache link is a little funky... here's an image capture of the page (as 32-color 200k GIF)
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Key parts...

MSNBC.com Deleted Page
By Spencer S. Hsu
WashingtonPost.com
Updated: 9:22 p.m. ET July 19, 2007

WASHINGTON - The Federal Emergency Management Agency has suppressed warnings from its own Gulf coast field workers since the middle of 2006 about suspected health problems that may be linked to elevated levels of formaldehyde gas released in FEMA-provided trailers, lawmakers said today.

At a hearing Thursday of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, investigators released internal e-mails indicating that FEMA lawyers rejected environmental testing out of fear that the agency would then become legally liable if health problems emerged among as many as 120,000 families displaced by Hurricane Katrina who lived in trailers.

FEMA's Office of General Counsel "has advised that we do not do testing," because this "would imply FEMA's ownership of this issue," wrote a FEMA logistics specialist on June 16, 2006, three months after news reports surfaced about the possible effects of the invisible cancer-causing compound and one month after the agency was sued.

Not surprised and not surprised again.

Not surprised that the trailers are a health hazard. Of course they are.
You stuff your family in a camping trailer and live for months on end, and then decide maybe there is a formaldehyde risk?

These trailers were not designed for extended living purposes.

THere is going to be a major wave of health issues stemming from this, and guess who is gonna suffer the most?
Thats right, the same poor folks that got the shaft in the first place when they were left on rooftops and overpasses to swelter in the summer heat.

Not surprised again by the fact that MSN yanked the story.
Am I the only one who has seen the memory hole at work?

Can someone do a capture of page 2 also ? I'm having internet trouble and the cached page won't load for me.

Originally posted by NoobieDoobieDo
here is the link but not broken

Oh I apologize
I shall remember to check the link next time after posting

Thx

The best bit is that they have auctioned some trailers on already and more are due to be sold.


www.latimes.com...

I'm in LA and tons of those trailers never even made it to the people. Many are now being sold for a few thousand dollars. A number of buisnesses around where i live have been buying them.

[edit on 22/7/07 by MikeboydUS]

No real surprise. The victims get carcinogenic caravans and the FEMA guys got carnival cruise liners (charged at a premium rate too)

It just makes you wonder how many other really important articles have been pulled from news sites over the years.

This is going to be a long drawn out mess. Just another government knee jerk debacle. You can bet they are going to try to suppress this one.

Originally posted by pjslug
It just makes you wonder how many other really important articles have been pulled from news sites over the years.

it's disturbing how the governments can not come out and apologize for their mistakes and state strongly this is what we're going to do to change it. It seems they forsee that as a potential weakness for their opposition to exploit. but the bottomline is we haven't had an honest government for ages.

I followed the link that works, but I can't get page 2 of the article either.

However, an MSNBC Search with the keywords "FEMA Trailers" got me a result posted as 1 day after the missing article was posted. This leads me to think of the possibility that the first article may have gone missing as a glitch instead of being pulled off intentionally...Maybe, maybe not. But the possibility exists.

Here's the link to the followup article dated July 20, 2007:
FEMA announces trailer air testing plans.

Originally posted by pjslug
"It just makes you wonder how many other really important articles have been pulled from news sites over the years."


This was posted by the lip guy
"it's disturbing how the governments can not come out and apologize for their mistakes and state strongly this is what we're going to do to change it. It seems they forsee that as a potential weakness for their opposition to exploit. but the bottomline is we haven't had an honest government for ages."


Being involved in this tragic natural disaster myself, I can tell you personally I learned of how much of a POS Government we have. I am from a small town called Bay st. Louis off the cost of MS. And pretty much eveything was destroyed there to.After the storm the military Herded Us like cows to the shelters. It took them a whole week and a half to get their people food....And I personally saw a man brutally attacked by Military personel because he was Scared and angry because he could not find his family...and this happened on multiple occasions. Also men were drafted to work on hauling off the junk despite their choice, this might be called slavery but they liked to call it something else.The smell of corspes burning in the air is not a pleasant memory either...It took about a month for the dogs to calm down a little bit and three months before we got electricity...Fema F**cked so many people,and so many people screwed them.... Here about 2 years later there are still towns built from fema campers and people who will live in them forever. I was blessed my family is ok thats all I cared about...But the point is guys...So many rediculous things went down that were never said. The coast will never be the same. But after our "rights" were returned to us....roofing and hauling debris made me enough cash get out and start over. I Now hate our government...and even if they decided to apologize, I don't care! Neither should anyone else, they would just be some cold dead words from a bunch of selfish money grubbin F**cks!

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
... This leads me to think of the possibility that the first article may have gone missing as a glitch instead of being pulled off intentionally...Maybe, maybe not. But the possibility exists. [/url].

Sir, with all due respect, but there are NO coincidences and NO glitches in politics. Not ever.
Please keep that in mind, especially whenever somebody tries to tell you otherwise.

those trailers that FEMA put in staging areas ar made exactly the way
the product is made for public sale...nothing more nothing less.

If the people that accepted the housing did a little research or read the owners manuals/warrenties, they would have been aware that formalehyde is present in the materials that make up the trailers.
(particle board decomposition, glue for example... new cars had that too, before safety issues came around)

Consumer Reports &/or Underwriters Labs, among others,
have alerted consumers about the inherent gasses in trailer models,
and that people with asthma etc should consider this issue for decades...

just because the displaced people wanted out of relatives houses or hotel rooms, and opted to get a cheap govt provided trailer, does not absolve them of being prudent & aware...

if any of the people who are complaining couldn't read or write and had IQ in the single digits - there might be a reasonable excuse for complaint
for claiming the govt was negligent...
otherwise, the fuss is a scam that lawyers will benefit the most from,

[edit on 23-7-2007 by St Udio]

Hey, I posted a thread on this a few days ago with a link to a Washington Post article on the subject. I just checked and the article is still there.

Here is the thread containing the link:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just in case anyone is interested!

Nice..can't call it a find because it was pulled but Nice observation!

The problem with the public is everybody cries wolf, that they're all sick, they're all wounded for life, etc. It's human behaviour to follow suit even if you're not sick. Here's a good example:

Second, more than a hundred Belgian schoolchildren became ill¬with such reported symptoms as headache, stomachache, nausea, shivering, malaise, fatigue, and heart palpitation¬after they had drunk Coca-Cola from cans or small bottles. More than 70 of the children were hospitalized. Some of the students said the cans smelled bad.

Belgium's deputy prime minister banned the sale of Coca-Cola products. Government scientists tested suspect contents for 15,000 toxins and found nothing warranting continuation of the ban. The Coca-Cola Co. stated that the bottles had become contaminated with sulfur and that the cans had come into contact with fungicide-carrying wooden pallets. But the sulfur and fungicide concentrations found were too small to account for the reported symptoms.

www.acsh.org...

So basically one person hears about 'oh theres sulfur' and imagines himself to be sick, and then everybody else basically cries wolf too. Because factually, none of them were sick from the Coca Cola.

I would fear something like that from these trailers, because consumers in America love to screw companies just for money. "Oh I can't feel my nose...I want 7 million dollars."

Posted by someone....
those trailers that FEMA put in staging areas ar made exactly the way
the product is made for public sale...nothing more nothing less.

If the people that accepted the housing did a little research or read the owners manuals/warrenties, they would have been aware that formalehyde is present in the materials that make up the trailers.

(particle board decomposition, glue for example... new cars had that too, before safety issues came around)

Consumer Reports &/or Underwriters Labs, among others,
have alerted consumers about the inherent gasses in trailer models,
and that people with asthma etc should consider this issue for decades...

just because the displaced people wanted out of relatives houses or hotel rooms, and opted to get a cheap govt provided trailer, does not absolve them of being prudent & aware...

if any of the people who are complaining couldn't read or write and had IQ in the single digits - there might be a reasonable excuse for complaint
for claiming the govt was those trailers that FEMA put in staging areas ar made exactly the way
the product is made for public sale...nothing more nothing less.

If the people that accepted the housing did a little research or read the owners manuals/warrenties, they would have been aware that formalehyde is present in the materials that make up the trailers.
(particle board decomposition, glue for example... new cars had that too, before safety issues came around)

Consumer Reports &/or Underwriters Labs, among others,
have alerted consumers about the inherent gasses in trailer models,
and that people with asthma etc should consider this issue for decades...

just because the displaced people wanted out of relatives houses or hotel rooms, and opted to get a cheap govt provided trailer, does not absolve them of being prudent & aware...

if any of the people who are complaining couldn't read or write and had IQ in the single digits - there might be a reasonable excuse for complaint
for claiming the govt was negligent...
otherwise, the fuss is a scam that lawyers will benefit the most from, ...
otherwise, the fuss is a scam that lawyers will benefit the most from,



Fema Campers are not something you just accept to live in fool, People HAVE to live in these metal boxes. Most people, Those who had nowhere to go or those in poverty are the one suffering. I know the rich F**cks already had the poor people working to rebuild their castles. If you have no money your homelss your people are hungry you'll sacrifice whatever to move forward even if there is a health risk. They should have used the same restrictions on the trailers, that they have on any other more expensive camper. I know of many that have burned down, causing many other to go down with it. Poor electrical wring or whatever. And I know a few who went a bit crazy from the soitude and the conditions they were now forced to adapt to. Not everyone is as steel will minded as others. Some people who were alone and had no direction, had to live in these cells. The lack of jobs and the amount of people trying to get jobs to make tha evil green....made it hard for anyone to just to buy a new house like some rich f**ck. Thats why there are still camper cities, and will still be for a while. I can read and write, I may be no rocket scientist but I have led my self to believe that my I.Q> is more than 1....Hopfully...I have never never checked...but maybe it is...and even if I am as stupid i am still human. The government was negligent, From the day of the strom untill two year after...They will still sacrifice the health of their people to puch cash in their pockets. I do not think this will change...and will go on until the system falls, If that day ever comes.

Originally posted by Swordbeast
Sir, with all due respect, but there are NO coincidences and NO glitches in politics. Not ever.
Please keep that in mind, especially whenever somebody tries to tell you otherwise.

Geez, talk about a lack of respect...Didn't you read Skeptic Overlord's post?

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The Cache link is a little funky...

Out of respect for one of the Three Amigos, I wasn't implying a political glitch, just a webserver glitch as a possibility that shouldn't be overlooked. I'm pretty well aware of the political ramifications of this topic already.
As a polite & respectful warning, I'd advise you watch yourself a bit closer or you may find yourself officially warned for attacking posting members instead of attacking ideas. Misunderstandings aside, putting on a dismissive attitude won't go very far here.