Thankyou, I have to say for once someone actually can debate a topic without getting personal, thumbs up for that, to often people collapse NOW and
carry on with the 'anti-US' or 'anti-Bush' bs, thankyou for being mature enough to debate a topic decently.
You see it as we invaded them they have the right to protect themselves and kill any American over there because they don’t belong and are killing
their families and innocent people
That’s precisely it,
American soldiers, corporate contractors and government officials have no reason to be occupying Iraq.
Democracy will never come, so long as a foreign army is dictating Iraqi life.
It’s not ours to dictate, it wasn’t ours to invade. Iraq would of sorted itself out in a decade had we NOT of entered.
Every year, Iraq was becoming more and more open to the prospects of civilised order. Schools, hospitals, education, different social divides were
being crossed and allowed.
Sure Saddam was a bad leader, who was ruthless, but in the final years 2001/2002 he wasn’t like he was in the early 90's and late 80's. Things
were calming down, things were becoming positive.
We ' the west ' had a big opportunity after 911 occurred, middle eastern nations usually hostile towards us were mourning with us, were offering
assistance, had we of capitalised on that, and opened dialogue with various nations we could of eliminated terrorism from the fanatical Muslim genre.
We could have worked together and stamped out these madmen.
Instead we've done the exact opposite, and poured fuel on a spark, creating a fire that’s now totally out of control.
Should we stay in Iraq?
If you believe we can stamp out the anti-American mentality taking hold of that country excellent, but we need to establish a means of doing this.
A troop surge, stay the course rhetoric, is not creating a map for peace in Iraq.
Truth is I don’t think the Whitehouse has any clue about how to achieve a democratic Iraq, im not saying I do but at least I'll admit I haven’t
Where as the President and Co are continually telling you '' more patience is needed ''
Patience for what?
What can we achieve in 6 months, that we couldn’t achieve in 5 years? Especially when the violence has gotten 100x worse, and we're agitating more
and more people, are they hoping if we throw enough money at the corporate dogs raping tax payer’s money it might somehow fix itself?
I'd be happy to stay, IF we actually had a plan of attack to reduce the deaths, minimise the damage done and push forward to happier days.
I support the troops, I will admire anyone who puts on that uniform stands in harms way if it means bettering civilisation, so long as that’s his
reason. But the majority of people enlisting are not enlisting for the right reasons.
You cant win a war with a bunch of young bucks straight out of high school, who get more thrills out of shooting guns and blowing crap up, than they
do helping an Iraqi' lady carry her shopping.
But in saying that, again, America is its own worst enemy.
You can’t expect your fighting men and women to respect the laws of the land, when they only have to look over their shoulder and see another
solider, being paid 10x the amount, getting all the frills and not having to stay until they are told to go.
The corporate army America has induced into Baghdad is a major reason why Iraqi's spit at even the honest, respectable solider.
"You’re making thousands upon thousands of dollars, to shoot at us, when we did nothing to you."
I know that would make me pretty agro, toward anyone with a western accent.
However leaving the war now would be disastrous as it would leave the country open to any one of the extreme radical groups to take over and run the
country the same way saddam did and with even more hatred toward the US then before.
Correct, But this is going to happen regardless of how long your there.
I mean, the % of ethnic groups majorly favours the Shi'a, thus Iran.
But America is so hell bent on refusing any sort of dialogue or negotiation with Iran, that anyone warm with Iran or of Iranian influence is
dismissed, and rightly so.
So you've got a Sunni leader? Someone who is hell bent on revenge against the west, at the same time trying to ensure its shia's brethren do not use
its majority numbers to overthrow the government, which it probably would.
How about the Kurds?... I cant imagine neither the shia or sunni allowing an outside faction to control Baghdad.
So you’re left with various options, all of which are not going to work if you want a peaceful Iraq.
Saddam was as good as Iraq was going to get, and considering he wasn’t attacking the US, invading neighbours, or creating WMD's... it was the best
option to leave him in place.
You want to find a solution to the Iraq Mess, This is what you do.
1. Find a way to show the Iraqi's you don’t purposely want them to suffer.
- To do this, we must prove to them that this war, was nothing more than an opportunistic governments attempt at gaining a foothold in a basin of
Cash, for their corporate masters.
We must disband the Bush administration; put them all on trial for crimes against humanity, crimes against the sovereign nation of Iraq and for crimes
Like we did Saddam, we need to hand them over to the Iraqi's, and allow them to execute them, in the same inhumane way we executed their rightful
2. Assist them in rebuilding their country
- We must devote as much of our economy as possible to re-building Iraq's infrastructure, economy and education/medical services. No corporations
make any profits, all profits are destined for Iraqi' coffers.
3. We allow who ever holds the most clout within the ethnic community to take the reigns as Iraq's leader, Al Sadr, and Alsistani
- To do this we must accept Iran as a nation, and open talks with them, live on international TV.
4. We must pledge to the world we will never allow such a corruption within our own ranks to blind us into assisting in another massacre.
Until we take step number 1, the muslim community will never try to stamp out anti-American aspects of its community.
I’m happy to be the person wrapping the hangman’s noose around their necks, I believe it’s my mission in life.
If Alqaeda attacked my country, Id be angry.
Id approach the Taliban, like the US did and demand him, like the US did.
The Taliban in return told the United states, provide us with evidence Osama committed this act, and we will oblige.
Do you know what the US did ?
We bombed them.
I’m even happy to live with that, supposing Osama DID do 911, but there was no need to shift this to Iraq.
I will embrace any American as my brother so long as he is not prepared to kill foreigners, in their land just to secure oil ( as one person said
earlier today )
I will always feel sorrow for the people of September 11, that was a heinous act.... but what I cant understand about the American public, is why
after all the inaccuracies about 911 have come out, after all the lies of Iraq have come out... why aren’t people taking to the streets, boycotting
EVERYTHING demanding this government resign?