Would like to believe in that , only time will telll..............

This is interesting if true.

I don't understand Bill though. Ex astronaut so he should have interest in the frontier of space. Why doesn't he go through a better know reporting channel and break this news. Let some respected photo personel check and review the videos. He is talking so why can't it be delivered in a more credible manner.

There are so many flaws in this Apollo 20 non sense. But the thing that really kills the whole story in my opinion is that it supposedly, and secretly, launched from Vandenberg AFB. Well first of all, you can't hide a rocket launch and Vandenberg doesn't have the capabilities to handle a Saturn V. It doesn't have a large assembly building, it doesn't have a large crawler to bring it out to the pad. Also, Vandenberg is on the west coast, if you're going to launch a rocket in a non polar orbit, you are going to launch towards the East. So this means that this "top secret mission" would have had to fly over the US and a Saturn V launch isn't exactly subtle. And if an accident were to happen during launch, debris could rain down over a number of cities, this is why they launch things on the East coast in Florida, over the ocean. Vandenberg only launches rockets towards south for polar orbiting satellites.

NASA did want to do an Apollo 18, 19 and 20, but they were canceled due to the US Government cutting NASA's budget considerably. The Saturn V's that are on display consist of parts that were made for Apollo 18 and 19 and other parts were used for Skylab. There were no other Saturn V's built. You can't hide something like that, let alone launching one.

I agree that many things don't make sense. But if it's a hoax it's quite a well done one, at the same level of John Titor or better. There's certainly more video and pictures. I wonder if it's a professionally done hoax for the purposes of seeding ideas for an upcoming movie---entitled, no doubt "Apollo 20". Or maybe somebody is trying to sell the project.

One other thing feels wrong about the story: the crew sociology. The two American astronauts were from Bell Labs, supposedly. Bell Labs in the 70's was certainly very important but it does science and engineering, and doesn't train pilots or anything like that. And most anomalously, the second was supposedly female, and 'Rutledge' seemed to intimate even she was black. That's what doesn't fit. This woudl have to be a secret military/NASA mission. Back in 1975, the military was not very hot on feminism. For something like this, they'd insist on crew-cut "yes sir, no sir" men from the Naval Academy or some such. Not nerds from a private company and especially a woman. If in secret, there's no need for "diversity PR" or stuff like that. (On the other hand---for a contemporary film script, the combo seems ideal. The manly Russell Crowe in command, Halle Berry with a 70's space 'fro, and William Shatner playing the aged Russian. )

And would they really want to include the Soviets? There could be a conceivable angle because the USSR could certainly track a launch and would blab, so they had to be convinced to keep quiet.

And finally: on the last Apollo mission supposedly they make their biggest discovery EVER. And yet, that's it? No more moon? The behavior of NASA and the government after this doesn't seem to be compatible with finding something this important.

Lemme guess, the last scene of the film will show the "why you better not come back here" scene, and all the artifacts, films and records boxed up and stored in some obscure warehouse, just like Raiders of the Lost Ark.


There are some actual facts which probably started it off this idea.

There certainly is a weird funny looking object ('the Moon wiener') in the back side of the moon, observable through multiple public source Apollo pictures, so it isn't just a trick of the light (like the supposed "mars face").

And there is an odd ink-marked 'dot' or 'spot' on the drawn reference maps which show the viewpoint of the Apollo 15 photos and the space craft's orbit over the Moon. (and there are spots in 2 other places). This dot is very close to the Moon wiener. No other equivalent maps show any 'mistakes'.

Oddly enough the Clementine maps don't seem to show anything in that location, but it may be just hard to see, since the contrast and possibly albedo issues on the Clementine pictures make many things hard to see.

Now, start the X-files, music: the one 'raw' image which would directly be over the wiener, is not available from the Clementine web site. All of its neighbors are downloadable.

when are people just going to accept that there was no apollo 20. This guy is a fraud ive seen some of his videos and others that he now longer has hosted on youtube they are all clay models.

This kinda stuff is what gives you guys a bad name and its why you are allways ridiculed.

I think the mods should just delete all these stupid threads so we can discuss serious issues.

hahahaha come on, any one that believes in an apollo 20 are the same people that believe in zeta reticulans and plaedians. nonsense to the highest degree of stupidness.

Look at the guys favorites. I mean come on. It's all porn. And also all his crap looks like videotape, not film--->videotape. I work in the industry, this is fake.

There was no Watergate. Nixon is clean

There is no Area 51.

Monica Lewis, who?

What agent orange?

Sadamm has WMDs

.....what is truth and what are lies?

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth102
There was no Watergate. Nixon is clean

There is no Area 51.

Monica Lewis, who?

What agent orange?

Sadamm has WMDs

.....what is truth and what are lies?

I don't understand your sarcasm.

A few of us are just saying that there isn't ANY evidence whatsoever regarding secret Apollo launches. Only stories, that like this one, the person telling them isn't even correct on the allegations.

It's not even comparable to those examples you said, even though I know it was sarcastic. Even so, doesn't make any sense to me.

If we should approach the official accounts of these things with skepticism, we should do the same to the 'conspiracy theories', and not blindly accept them.

Show us something tangible regarding the secret Apollo launches and then a more serious debate can happen.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth102
There was no Watergate. Nixon is clean

I don't know anyone who says there was no Watergate or that Nixon was not culpable. This story was broken by the national press and as a result Nixon resigned. This is historical fact no one denies.

There is no Area 51.

Not only is there an Area 51, the US government readily admits it is a top secret facility. It has been publicly acknowledged by an assistant secretary of defense in a speech he gave in Las Vegas.

Monica Lewis, who?

Undoubtedly you mean Monica Lewinski. The press couldn't get enough of her and Clinton. They were obsessed to the point that news coverage in other areas, such as national policy and security, suffered as a result. It dominated news for months.

What agent orange?

Not only is there an agent orange, but the Veteran's Department has a web site specifically for those who 'suffered' as a result of exposure to this herbacide.

Sadamm has WMDs

Not only did Saddam have WMD, he used them. Over 25,000 Kurds: men, women, and children, were gassed by his forces in an attempt at genocide in the northern part of Iraq. Further, every western intelligence agency, including France, was convinced Saddam had WMD.

You seem to be saying that 'those in power lie to the people' or some such. Even if they do, that doesn't prove Apollo 20. That, by the way, is the subject of this thread, should you care to contribute to it.

Originally posted by Smugallo
hahahaha come on, any one that believes in an apollo 20 are the same people that believe in zeta reticulans and plaedians. nonsense to the highest degree of stupidness.

What you don't "Believe" in Pleadians or the Zetian Greys!?

Maybe there really is hope for humanity after all!

Originally posted by LethalDose I think the mods should just delete all these stupid threads so we can discuss serious issues.

I think this issue has been discussed, but remember "Stupid Threads" often get much more attention than "Smart threads" and get more "hits". Thus they are tolerated on Forums.