So called "terrorist attacks" are warranted.

First Im American and not Islamic.


Now, I know a lot of you wont like that I said that, but we've been pillaging these people, their lands, and resources for decades. What do think their going to do? Fact is they have no other means of resistance

Now someone will say "but their targeting innocents". So long as we stand idly by while our government uses our money, our will, and our resources no one is innocent, not you, not me, not anyone.

Raped, pillaged, plundered, and murdered. What would you do?

When you push someone, eventually they will push back.



[edit on 26-6-2007 by Weisheit]

The middle east like Africa are territories that are look upon with disdain in part because racial discrimination and also prejudices.

Even in our modern times this two subjects are very alive and well.

Top it with the disdain against their religions and you see why they will never be taken seriously as nations.

The only thing that is of interest is their natural resources.

Originally posted by Weisheit
Fact is they have no other means of resistance

The use of suicide-attacks for instance could be considered the ultimate in lo-tech smart-weapons, and are very difficult to counter...and when you consider the scale and technological advantage gained by coalition forces over the insurgency in Iraq, could be considered their equal...both suicide-martyr and GPS smart-bombs are designed to strike without detection or warning and with pin-point accuracy on the intended target.

The difference between the use of an air-dropped GPS-JDAM and a VBIED is the western-cultural-taboo aspect towards the deliberate suicide of the weapon-operator

The theoretical question arises though of how would an enemy react to a US-suicide-bomber campaign against them???

Originally posted by marg6043
The middle east like Africa are territories that are look upon with disdain in part because racial discrimination and also prejudices.

Even in our modern times this two subjects are very alive and well.

Top it with the disdain against their religions and you see why they will never be taken seriously as nations.

The only thing that is of interest is their natural resources.

This is wrong, their not taken seriously because their weak, poor, and hungry. Therefore their easy prey.

Originally posted by Weisheit
So called "terrorist attacks" are warranted

1 - there is nothing 'so called' about it. They ARE terrorist attacks.
2 - No they are not warranted.
3 - To say they are called for is sick - IMHO.

When you push someone, eventually they will push back.

Terrorists aren't pushed. They just hate. They hate and they want to kill. Period.

You need to read this list of terrorist attacks, so far, for 2007. Then go read the list for all the other years. According to your philosophy they all deserved to die. The children all deserved to die. So did the cleaning women who were blown up by the terrorist bomb. So did the police men standing in line to get paid. So did the journalists. So did the head of the children’s hospital. So did the Buddhist owned tea shop owner. So did the pregnant women. So did those praying in the mosques and temples. So did the college students. So did the family on their way to Disney World on 9/11. So did the 82 year old elderly man. So did the UN relief agency workers. So did the peace activists. So did the relief workers. So did the shop owners and salesmen. So did the teachers. So did the Red Cross workers. So did those attending funerals as well as those just riding a bus. So did the doctors and nurses. And so on and so on ….

:shk:


[edit on 6/26/2007 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Weisheit
So called "terrorist attacks" are warranted

1 - there is nothing 'so called' about it. They ARE terrorist attacks.
2 - No they are not warranted.
3 - To say they are called for is sick - IMHO.

When you push someone, eventually they will push back.

Terrorists aren't pushed. They just hate. They hate and they want to kill. Period.

You need to read this list of terrorist attacks, so far, for 2007. Then go read the listfor all the other years. According to your philosophy they all deserved to die. The children all deserved to die. So did the cleaning women who were blown up by the terrorist bomb. So did the police men standing in line to get paid. So did the journalists. So did the head of the children’s hospital. So did the Buddhist owned tea shop owner. So did the pregnant women. So did those praying in the mosques and temples. So did the college students. So did the family on their way to Disney World on 9/11. So did the 82 year old elderly man. So did the UN relief agency workers. So did the peace activists. So did the relief workers. So did the shop owners and salesmen. So did the teachers. So did the Red Cross workers. So did those attending funerals as well as those just riding a bus. So did the doctors and nurses. And so on and so on ….

:shk:


[edit on 6/26/2007 by FlyersFan]

Really
And thats a low estimate, far more women, children, and innocents have been killed by American bombs than "terrorist attacks"

How about this?

Or this?

Or this?

Isn't it nice to see the support for the killing of children and women.
I hope your vest goes off early.

Originally posted by rdangIf the children and women who are getting killed are white...OUTRAGE
But if their brown their dirty Muslims who had it coming.

I translated your post for those not fluent in that famous American language of "lets ignore facts, history and common sense"

Originally posted by rdang
Isn't it nice to see the support for the killing of children and women.
I hope your vest goes off early.

what makes you different? LOL You don't mind death and destruction as long as its an islamic man, woman or child. Look at your Avatar throwing Islam in the garbage. You could care less for them or their religion. Its just a shame that they dont have some sort of detection system to seperate you and the rest of the crusaders from the rest of us. You have a suicide vest its just that you put it on other peoples kids to fight your war.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by rdang
Isn't it nice to see the support for the killing of children and women.
I hope your vest goes off early.

what makes you different? LOL You don't mind death and destruction as long as its an islamic man, woman or child. Look at your Avatar throwing Islam in the garbage. You could care less for them or their religion. Its just a shame that they dont have some sort of detection system to seperate you and the rest of the crusaders from the rest of us. You have a suicide vest its just that you put it on other peoples kids to fight your war.

I actually mentioned this in another thread, I'm sure its quiet offensive to Islamic folk, ignorant to considering Christianities past.

Originally posted by Weisheit
Now, I know a lot of you wont like that I said that, but we've been pillaging these people, their lands, and resources for decades.

Actually it's quite a bit longer than that, the United States has been regime changing and meddling in their affairs since the 1700's (i.e. Barbary pirates), and that doesn't call to mention the 1000 or so years that our european ancestry spent killing and claiming lands there. Zionism is ancient, bloodthirsty, and there's damned good reasons why freemasonry is outlawed in most islamic countries.
You will find your opinion will generate alot of hostility, but I think you raise a valid point. Nobody ever seems to want to talk about WHY there is terrorism, or what has pissed these people off to the point of resorting to it, only that they hate your way of life, hate your freedom, and are out to get you. I'm afraid there's a little more to the story than that.

Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by Weisheit
Now, I know a lot of you wont like that I said that, but we've been pillaging these people, their lands, and resources for decades.

Actually it's quite a bit longer than that, the United States has been regime changing and meddling in their affairs since the 1700's (i.e. Barbary pirates), and that doesn't call to mention the 1000 or so years that our european ancestry spent killing and claiming lands there. Zionism is ancient, bloodthirsty, and there's damned good reasons why freemasonry is outlawed in most islamic countries.
You will find your opinion will generate alot of hostility, but I think you raise a valid point. Nobody ever seems to want to talk about WHY there is terrorism, or what has pissed these people off to the point of resorting to it, only that they hate your way of life, hate your freedom, and are out to get you. I'm afraid there's a little more to the story than that.

If I remember correctly, we fought agains the Muslim Barbary Pirates because they kidnapped and ransom American sailors. What was our response to that?

Originally posted by deltaboy
If I remember correctly, we fought agains the Muslim Barbary Pirates because they kidnapped and ransom American sailors.

What was our response to that?

The whole truth of the matter is that 'we' (the hobnobbing masons who dictated our foriegn policy at the time) simply didn't want to pay them to use their waterways like all the other countries were. Our response to that was to go over there and attempt to insert a deposed ruler by military force, i.e. meddling in their political affairs and killing indiscriminately to protect our interests in their lands, emphasis on their lands. There wasn't a single arabian ship in US territorial waters at the time, we were in their yard picking a fight, and it's been that way ever since.

Originally posted by twitchy

The whole truth of the matter is that 'we' (the hobnobbing masons who dictated our foriegn policy at the time) simply didn't want to pay them to use their waterways like all the other countries were. Our response to that was to go over there and attempt to insert a deposed ruler by military force, i.e. meddling in their political affairs and killing indiscriminately to protect our interests in their lands, emphasis on their lands. There wasn't a single arabian ship in US territorial waters at the time, we were in their yard picking a fight, and it's been that way ever since.

Pay them? If you should remember theres a reason why they are called pirates that raid on merchant ships for profit, not just its equivalent to going to the Panama Canal. You should remember that they didn't just prey on American ships, but also other European ships and sold for slavery.

Originally posted by deltaboy
Pay them? If you should remember theres a reason why they are called pirates that raid on merchant ships for profit, not just its equivalent to going to the Panama Canal.

You should remember that they didn't just prey on American ships, but also other European ships and sold for slavery.

Oh well if they were just pirates, what were we doing in Lybia, which was sort of like a nation? Yes pay them, they asked/demanded payment for safe passage through THEIR territorial waters and we refused to pay them, they took prisoners and we went to war. Not war though, we used subversion and some other nasty little tactics your history books tend to exclude. Pirates... I guess you could call them that, but it's kind of difficult to call someone a pirate when they operate in their own waters. Now if these pirates were sinking shipping off Boston harbor, or they were raiding costal towns or something, sure pirates would fit the bill, but the fact is we were about 4800 some odd miles from home.

First let me say, im not a conservative. I dont support war, I dont support imperialism, and I dont support terrorism.

The slaughter of innocents, whether through terrorism, or direct military conflict, is never justified.

Yes, US imperial interests have wontonly destroied country after country, people after peoples, life after life. But that does not make it right for a battered country to wage war on the civilian population of the attacking country, because those same civilians are usually the victims of imperialist policy as well.

What you have done here is lump all of a citizenries interests in with their leaders, which is a grave mistake. Despite what you may believe, many in the US and the Western world appose imperialism and its policies quite vigirously. To say that we all just sit idly by, do nothing, and therefor deserve to die, is BS.

Edit to add: Thats not to say there arent serious grevances, and that US imperial interests arent at the heart of creating terrorism. But killing civilians of an opposing faction only forces that faction to step up its response. Democratic action and diplomacy are the only things that will stop a war, not suicide bombs.




[edit on 26-6-2007 by InSpiteOf]

Originally posted by twitchy

Oh well if they were just pirates, what were we doing in Lybia, which was sort of like a nation? Yes pay them, they asked/demanded payment for safe passage through THEIR territorial waters and we refused to pay them, they took prisoners and we went to war. Not war though, we used subversion and some other nasty little tactics your history books tend to exclude. Pirates... I guess you could call them that, but it's kind of difficult to call someone a pirate when they operate in their own waters. Now if these pirates were sinking shipping off Boston harbor, or they were raiding costal towns or something, sure pirates would fit the bill, but the fact is we were about 4800 some odd miles from home.

Well gee where you think they are operating from in the first place if you want to go to war against an enemy?

en.wikipedia.org...

The Barbary pirates, also sometimes called Ottoman corsairs, were pirates and privateers that operated from north Africa (the "Barbary coast"). They operated out of Tunis, Tripoli, Algiers, Salé and ports in Morocco, preying on shipping in the western Mediterranean Sea from the time of the Crusades as well as on ships on their way to Asia around Africa until the early 19th century. Their stronghold was along the stretch of northern Africa known as the Barbary Coast (a medieval term for the Maghreb after its Berber inhabitants), although their predation was said to extend throughout the Mediterranean, south along West Africa's Atlantic seaboard, and into the North Atlantic, purportedly as far north as Iceland. As well as preying on shipping, raids were often made on European coastal towns. The pirates were responsible for capturing large numbers of Christian slaves from Europe, who were sold in slave markets in places such as Algeria and Morocco.

According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by pirates and sold as slaves between the 16th and 17th century. These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages in Italy, Spain and Portugal, and from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, Ireland and even Iceland and North America.

The impact of these attacks were devastating – France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely abandoned by their inhabitants. Even Americans were not immune. For example, one American slave reported that 130 other American seamen had been enslaved by the Algerians in the Mediterranean and Atlantic just between 1785 and 1793. Isolated cases of piracy have occurred on the Rif coast of Morocco even at the beginning of the 20th century, but the pirate communities which lived by plunder and could live by no other resource, vanished with the French conquest of Algiers in 1830.[1]

Now theres a reason why they are called pirates, they are not like the equivalent to a bunch of coast guard duty ships protecting shores. They PREY on merchant ships. So what does the U.S. do? Go to where they operate from. Hence the attacks on North African states.



[edit on 26-6-2007 by deltaboy]

I would agree that the line between acts that are "terrorism," as opposed to being "legitimate" acts of warfare is often blurred and muddied. That is not to say that some people are engaging in acts that are truly terrorism and those acts are not to be condoned. It is one thing to target US troops in Iraq with a roadside bomb or to fire on Israeli soldiers in the West Bank, and it is another thing to deliberately plant bombs in marketplaces, mosques, schools, and other areas where civilians congregate in order to inflict as much carnage and fear amongst civilians as possible. Deliberately targeting large numbers of civilians solely for the purpose of harming and terrorizing civilians is terrorism and is not to be condoned.

Your right deltaboy, the actions of a few always justify the slaughter of many, and the subversive tactics employed thereof. I'm sure we were just defending those poor sailors that were kidnapped....
Barbary Pirates... Boston Massacre... Weapons of Mass Destruction... Remember the Alamo... Tippecanoe... Remember the Maine...
Without fail or exception, there's always some justification for it eh?

Originally posted by twitchy
Your right deltaboy, the actions of a few always justify the slaughter of many, and the subversive tactics employed thereof. I'm sure we were just defending those poor sailors that were kidnapped....
Barbary Pirates... Boston Massacre... Weapons of Mass Destruction... Remember the Alamo... Tippecanoe... Remember the Maine...
Without fail or exception, there's always some justification for it eh?

Okay so you just pretty much change the subject and put a load of crap on something else to be critical on. You and me debate about Barbary pirates and the justification of the U.S. intervention. I put something down hard and you whine on something else.