9/11 Activist Arrested And Charged With Espionage At Republican Debate

I personally applaud this action, someone has to step up and ask the difficult questions and challenge the politicians. If the politicians cant take it then they shouldn't be in politics in the first place. Hopefully this will bring on more aggressive media tactics so that the politicians wont be able to hide behind their PR machines and only talk when it's convinient and safe.

TIJ, first off, you are not bursting much of anything by ranting that no one understands you. The problem is, you are understood, too well.

Your problem is that you "lost control" of these two people and now you're in a snit. So what is different between your controlling reporters and some other group doing the same thing? Do you not read enough to see that many people think that reporters should be free to ask any question? not just the ones you want asked?

You have an agenda, and so do other people. Your group feels cheated because your agenda wasn't met. Your group lost it's control of what these reporters asked. Did these reporters ever sign a document saying they would ask only certain questions? You want their status pulled, and it may be, but they were working for the people that gave them the credentials-CNN. So it's tough s**t if they didn't make you and yours happy, they weren't working for your group. And though you may have pulled strings to get them in, and more strings to get them out, they were not your puppets to control.

State police considered it to be a hidden camera, which led to discussion of "espionage."

any body know if this is for real yet?

When technique supercedes substance in journalism, load the wagon and head for the great white north. Esdad lives in an old world where decorum was expected on both sides of any debate, it doesn't exist anymore. Rudowski and company are not on the approved list with their fully vetted approved questions and present a wealth of trouble for the Molechians. WeAreChange is a essential part of the truth to power effort. They suffer from the things all true grassroot endeavors do. If they were more organized and had the prescribed frontman to blend in with all the other stenographers charading as journalists I'd be suspicious of them. They're courage, passion and trials and errors give me great solice. Keep in mind , this was New Hampshire. Along with Vermont and maybe Massachusetts the most libertarian collective in the nation. Stay out of Florida, Georgia and Texas Luke, things could get very ugly.

Originally posted by SteveR
It's called disorderly conduct.

What happened was not any product of "fascism".

9/11 Truth needs a new organization to represent it. It needs to be headed by responsible, law-abiding, cool-headed professional people. And thirdly, it needs to drop any affiliation with these people like a hot potato.

Law-abiding?Professional?Cool-headed?
How about we find pollitions who fit that bill first,

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Black_Fox]

Originally posted by Black_Fox
Law-abiding?Professional?Cool-headed?
How about we find pollitions who fit that bill first

There are plenty who do - they simply don't get very far.

Let's care about how we handle ourselves, first.

here is an Proffesional Journalist speaking.

Google Video Link

I think.

I come from an old world where if someone approched me the way the man did in the video, I would feel threatened and hit him. Then when he would have cried and called the same police he calls facist. See the double standard.

THe thing is you have to have balls to back up your questions, not try to blindside someone who cannot answer a question for Guiliani anyways. Go to the source or protest outside. Get enough people and get picked up by major networks since this was not.

Debate is a way to voice opinion, issues and point of view. It is also used to come to a conclusion on an issue, not ask questions that cannot be answered.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Again if a few pg-13 words that show anger and disgust offended some of you I am sorry, but maybe adult forums about emotional topics aint the place for you to hang out. Maybe the forums on Disney or Faux News that are moderated and edited to the point of being jibberish with no subtance is the place for you. If you don't understand the frustration and anger of many Americans and what is happening to us by the military industrial complex, International Bankers, corporations and paid for news then I feel sorry for you.

No I was not offended at all- just saw you as real upset. I was in a rush this morning and didn't get to read all your post and I am sorry. You have every right to be upset. I to try to express to people about things thats going on and I know how you feel. If I yell and scream I get ignored. Maybe one day I may throw a total hissy fit on ATS but I may end up getting banned. Even if this reporter didn't pull this Ron Paul is not getting the news exposure he needs. If this gets out I didn't get the impression that the reporter supported Ron Paul. This could back fire on Rudy's team.
What I saw was a reporter getting surpressed for asking a question. That guy could have said no comment and go on his way Instead he motioned for the police like 4 to 5 officers suddenly appeared. Corrupted people are going to twist things around anyway to mislead the public and its sickening.

Leyla,


Thank you for your reply. I was really upset and I think that the AFTF group got used. You are correct that I need to get the message across and not offend or put out the wrong message that turns people off. I probably should have counted to 10 before posting that.I was just so mad. The whole thing sucks, press being arrested for asking queions, using a group linked to Ron Paul big time for the very forcefulactions of those we are change people. It's just pent up anger at the whole thing and the the fact that this situation could be used to discredit Dr.Paul which is wat the major media and thosein power want to do, SHUT DR. PAUL UP. Basically I am for all of it and against all of it, if that makes sense. So thank you for your understanding and gentle guidance, I think your correct and I will try to refrain and think of how my message is being taken.

Leyla

esdad, what you saw as threatening was merely the tone required to be heard in our highly manipulated society when your employer is not fully on board. I've seen far more agressive tactics on local news. He asked questions, they were not going to be answered. So the WeAre Change guys are smart enough to know that a dodged question on tape is telling enough let alone pointing them out and having them thrown out. Looks like Guliani has some hard decisions to make other than what gown he should don for dinner tonight.

Originally posted by YIAWETA
When technique supercedes substance in journalism, load the wagon and head for the great white north. Esdad lives in an old world where decorum was expected on both sides of any debate, it doesn't exist anymore.

It's a sad day when we realize that we are trending away from civilized discussion and closer toward mob rule. The fact that unruly tactics, i.e., Columbia University vs the Minutemen, manage to disrupt civil exchange of ideas is a sure sign that the Giuliani's of the world have won. You cannot outsmart them with your wits, as the great ones in journalism can do, so you need to resort to bullying tactics. You have won nothing. You played right into their hands.

Keep in mind , this was New Hampshire. Along with Vermont and maybe Massachusetts the most libertarian collective in the nation. Stay out of Florida, Georgia and Texas Luke, things could get very ugly.

You need a lesson in geo-politics. New Hampshire is as different than Mass. or Vermont as day is from night. Massachusetts and Vermont are bastions of socialism. New Hampshire is strongly libertarian (libertarian, not liberal), despite the recent elections, which were manipulated by socialist border jumpers tired of overtaxation from Mass.

Hey if they disrupted the press conference they can be ejected.Having said that the authorities Cannot destroy their press tools and may or maynot have grounds for arrest.Did we wake up in nazi germany/faschist italy?wtf??

Originally posted by esdad71
I come from an old world where if someone approched me the way the man did in the video, I would feel threatened and hit him. Then when he would have cried and called the same police he calls facist. See the double standard.

THe thing is you have to have balls to back up your questions, not try to blindside someone who cannot answer a question for Guiliani anyways. Go to the source or protest outside. Get enough people and get picked up by major networks since this was not.

Debate is a way to voice opinion, issues and point of view. It is also used to come to a conclusion on an issue, not ask questions that cannot be answered.

Are you sure about that since the only thing he was doing is asking a question, do you hit everyone who asks you a question? Besides, asking a question and hitting someone is two totally different things and cant be compared.
And if someone cannot answer a question then say 'I dont know the answer to that...' That's an answer and completely acceptable one too rather than have the mob throw the asking party out.

I'm having trouble getting past the chest-thumping of this story and finding out the status of Matt Lepacek who was arrested and taken into custody. The last bit of information that seems to be valid is that he was being charged with "espionage."

Has there been any updates on his status I'm not aware of?

American Reporter's Arrest Captured On YouTube

Your welcome TIJ. Its time for us to speak out and I mean now. We should swamp Rudy's email demanding to know why he had two reporters thrown out and one arrested. That this is a violation of our first admendment rights and by george we have a right to know! We talk about it to no end so let our fingers do the talking.

I haven't seen that he was actually being charged with espionage, only that there was talk of him being charged with espionage. That's stated in 2 different sources in this thread.

In this post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

One more thing: I doubt that the police arrested the guy because of the questions he asked. The police most likely had no idea what the topic was, nor did they care.

My understanding was that Lepacek was arrested after he tried to re-enter the building after being escorted out by the police. He had been pre-warned that he would be arrested for criminal trespass if he tried to re-enter.

So the notion that the police acted upon the fact that Lepacek asked a certain question is untrue. They acted upon disorderly conduct and trespass.

Now, whether the trespass charge will hold up is another issue.

LMAO!!I Would love to see an espionge case filed by these faschits against the fourth estate representative!Espionage?He dont look like james bond to me!