Women to rule the Planet

thanks nerbot it was i meant to say!

Originally posted by TheBadge
yeah im serious.. well i just think people should chill out im saying IT SHOULDNT BE A PROBLEM! people shouldnt trip over someone being a female. but unfourtunately they do.

TheBadge your a female correct? .........Realtruth starts to trip out


Actually if the person can get the job done or handle a specific situation it doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other. I am all for people getting credit and respect based on merit, good temperament and wisdom, male or female.

I have a problem with this thread. Typically I have a very loose sense of humor and don't get offended about much of anything, but some things being said here just flat out piss me off.

To any person, male or female, who thinks that someone else is more patient, more nurturing, more sensible, less violent, or smarter than I am because she is a woman, I have one thing to say: BULL.

You don't know me, and you don't know even a fraction of the men OR women on this planet. You're generalizing in the biggest possible way, and that pisses me off. I don't run my mouth saying that men are better people than women are because that's not true, and likewise it's not true that women are any better than men. I don't brag that I can manipulate women at will. I don't do that, and even if I did it's nothing to be proud of.

Now I understand that the OP likely meant no offense, it was just an opinion. But what you said not only put me down but also stereotyped women. Just because you say nice things about a specific group of people doesn't mean that you're not stereotyping. If I said 'all asian people are good at math,' I would be stereotyping even though what I said wasn't insulting. Smell what I'm cooking? Vent over.

Alot of times women can have enduring qualities and quick thinking analytical minds, but even as a woman I must admit, some of them out there are downright into the same power and control issues that the other sex exhibits pretty regularly.

I had a female boss once that rivaled most anyone in meanness and lack of self control and compassion.

My point is that all humans can easily go awry when they are placed above the rest of us. If the qualities that each sex can bring to the table to be blended in the most useful of ways for human problem solving then the world might become a better place.

Woman most definitely needs to be re-embraced into the flow................

So...greatpiino...........your response to this thread is...........you don't agree that women should rule the planet?

Would you like to clarify any of what you said and maybe, positively contribute something to this discussion?

p.s. your signature is interesting, who is "edan"?

Please note that this thread is not intended to insult anyone, it was about looking back through history and the role played out by the dominant male over the female.

Females are still treated terribly around the world for no other reason other than being female.

Women have qualities that men do not, they are the bringers of life, all feotuses start off female.

The questions are why has man done so badly, why were and are women treated as the devil, what is it that we fear from them that we do the things we do to them.

its a case of looking at the picture and not bringing it down to a personal level.

Originally posted by magicmushroom

its a case of looking at the picture and not bringing it down to a personal level.

Magic,

I think now matter how you approach this topic people are going to take it personally, because there are men that care for children better than women and their are women that do better in the business world because their are driven by nothing else than ego, power and greed.

What ought to happen here is ask why men act they way they do? Is it programed in from birth, is it was is expected of them? Who re-enforces their behavior is it men, women or both?

Why would a women do better at ruling because they are in touch with their emotions more and men are taught to suppress emotions?

Originally posted by nerbot
So...greatpiino...........your response to this thread is...........you don't agree that women should rule the planet?

Incorrect, you're putting words in my mouth. My response to this thread was that I as a male am offended by the idea that a woman is more qualified than I am to do something based on her gender.

Originally posted by nerbot
Would you like to clarify any of what you said and maybe, positively contribute something to this discussion?

I can't help but feel that you're not understanding what I said in my original post in this thread. My contribution to this discussion is that no person is more qualified than any other based on gender.

Originally posted by nerbot
p.s. your signature is interesting, who is "edan"?

Edan is an underground emcee/DJ/producer, one of my favorites. That quote is from the song 'Promised Land' off the album 'Beauty and the Beat.'

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Women have qualities that men do not, they are the bringers of life, all feotuses start off female.

Yes, women carry children in the womb, and that's a miracle that I can never truly appreciate as a man. But you make it sound like they can get pregnant all by themselves. The miracle of birth starts with unity.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
its a case of looking at the picture and not bringing it down to a personal level.

For me, you made it personal for the reasons I explained in my last post. You put me down based on my gender and told me that I lack some positive qualities because I'm not a woman. Does anyone here understand why I'm upset about this?

What if I started a thread saying that political offices should be filled exclusively by men because they are smarter, more assertive, and more emotionally stable than women? Well first and foremost I don't believe any of that is true, I'm just using this as an example. But do you think that that first statement would upset someone?

Great I have not put you down, I do not knmow you to do so, the question was general and you took it personally, that was not intentional.

Perhaps you may wish to discuss the persecution of women through the ages and why it continues in so many countries, again try to think for others rather than yourself.

This is interesting & sort of, out-dated.

But, the problem remains, because we think it. Should a man rule? Should a woman rule? Most men are egomaniacs. Most women are emotionally unstable & make desicions upon how they feel. Hmm...neither is a good ingredient for a successful leader. I'm usually very comical, but this is...well, some of the things I've read are straight disrespectful...to both sexes.

If someone should possess the capabilites to be a good ruler...or rather...leader...then by all means let him/her lead.

Most people who come into power are often ruled by power. Doesn't matter their sex. Once you can comprehend power and you're an ass****...your self control means nothing.

Stepping out of the "leaders' chair" a bit...I would say, due to my experience and observations, women have more control on a day to day basis...dealing with certain things.

*Back to topic*
If you find a woman, or man that is more than capable of being a good leader, put your ego aside and let them lead. However, because you were born a woman or man does not mean you are qualified to handle my tax money. Ya digg?

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Great I have not put you down, I do not knmow you to do so, the question was general and you took it personally, that was not intentional.

Yes you did put me down, and like you said, you don't know me. You made a stereotype. You implied that I lack the instinct to nurture life and to be tolerant and guiding. I don't see why you can't grasp this.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Perhaps you may wish to discuss the persecution of women through the ages and why it continues in so many countries, again try to think for others rather than yourself.

Actually no, I don't wish to discuss this. I wish to discuss what I've BEEN discussing, thank you very much. And don't try to play this high and mighty 'think for others' GARBAGE with me. This is a discussion on a message board, I'll think about whatever the hell I want. You said something I took offense to so I called it out. Deal with it.

(edited for spelling)


[edit on 27-5-2007 by greatpiino]

Originally posted by Realtruth
Honestly I don't think anyone should rule anyone else, but it appears people want to be ruled because they give their power away to others so easily.

If everyone on this planet was personally responsible for their own actions and considerate of others we wouldn't need any rulers at all.

I agree wholeheartedly. I am a woman, I do not necessarily think women would make better world leaders, if anything they are more manipulative than men, they are just as greedy if not more greedy than men. Look around you............the porn industry, women selling themselves out for a buck. I also think women are more emotional than men, they are better with verbal skills and think with the opposite side of the brain than the man which is why men/women complement each other.
I don't think Hillary Clinton represents the average woman, I have never liked her, I think she is as dirty as any man out there.

Women can be as strong, if not stronger than a man emotionally but it is a FACT men are physically stronger. I don't see how you can say let one sex or the other rule the world. I say...........let the BEST person lead the world, let the BEST person show the rest of us how truth, compassion, justice will win over evil. It doesn't matter what sex you are.

Originally posted by magicmushroom

Women have qualities that men do not, they are the bringers of life, all fetuses start off female.

They( women ) also elect to kill ( abort ) their unborn children. How F,ing cruel is that? Yeah, I want someone like that bossing me around, NOT!

Roper

There are some rather angry peeps here and I'm off. Sorry to the original
poster. Good thread & I'll catch up with you soon.

End!

Women and Men are equals.

Regardless of what shallow materialistic delusional concepts invented in this reality makes you believe.

The second you think you are superior to someone or something, you are victim of delusions. When that happens it's usually caused by ideological mis-perceptions.

Well I am surprised no one has brought this up yet.

If evolution has any truth what so ever
if we have some common ancestor with great apes
then the Bonobos are the best example of a female run society
lots of sex and no war.

songweaver.com...
Bonobo Sex and Society

The behavior of a close relative challenges assumptions about male supremacy in human evolution

The bonobo is one of the last large mammals to be found by science. The creature was discovered in 1929 in a Belgian colonial museum, far from its lush African habitat. A German anatomist, Ernst Schwarz, was scrutinizing a skull that had been ascribed to a juvenile chimpanzee because of its small size, when he realized that it belonged to an adult. Schwarz declared that he had stumbled on a new subspecies of chimpanzee. But soon the animal was assigned the status of an entirely distinct species within the same genus as the chimpanzee, Pan.

The bonobo was officially classified as Pan paniscus, or the diminutive Pan. But I believe a different label might have been selected had the discoverers known then what we know now. The old taxonomic name of the chimpanzee, P. satyrus-- which refers to the myth of apes as lustful satyrs--would have been perfect for the bonobo.

The species is best characterized as female-centered and egalitarian and as one that substitutes sex for aggression. Whereas in most other species sexual behavior is a fairly distinct category, in the bonobo it is part and parcel of social relations--and not just between males and females. Bonobos engage in sex in virtually every partner combination (although such contact among close family members may be suppressed). And sexual interactions occur more often among bonobos than among other primates. Despite the frequency of sex, the bonobo's rate of reproduction in the wild is about the same as that of the chimpanzee. A female gives birth to a single infant at intervals of between five and six years. So bonobos share at least one very important characteristic with our own species, namely, a partial separation between sex and reproduction.


A Near Relative
This finding commands attention because the bonobo shares more than 98 percent of our genetic profile, making it as close to a human as, say, a fox is to a dog. The split between the human line of ancestry and the line of the chimpanzee and the bonobo is believed to have occurred a mere eight million years ago.

We all know what a male chimpanzee tribe is like, Jane Goodall reports deliberater acts of murder of neighbouring tribe, systematically and ruthless. For all intense purpose tribal warfare.
Male run chimps vs female run chimps is a good and interesting comparison.

I say let women rule...
planet of the women
sex planet



planet of the men
war planet



[edit on 27-5-2007 by junglelord]

This seems to be a "equally opportunity" statement. As to say gays, trisexuals and others should be considered.

Mr. Mush Its too bad that you hate your self so deeply for being a white male.

The world is governed on strength, not emotion. And that is why males have ruled for so long.

Its no secret that women are emotionally bound! They have mood swings, and attitude shifts every month. Ya lets get a pissed off woman in controll while she is having her little monthly friend.

As sexist as it sounds men are rational, we dont have a "time of the month" and I dont care what you carpet munching left wingers say, my wife is crazy during this monthly episode!

And dont try to tell me each women is different, Their not, its human biology. And sorry no matter how independant of a tree hugging, womans right activist you are or see your self as, Your no different from the rest!!


Women are grrreeeeeaaaaaattttt!!

I love to have me some every here and again, But as for a world leader?? I think not

so a world led by women that runs like Bonobos is not desireable too you?
I say let women rule
more sex, less war

The thing I wonder about most in all this is could a female ruler make those decisions that go against whole stereotyped nature of being this caring and compassionate person; could they order military actions that they know will create civilian casualties in the process? Could they order the tactical nuking of a nation that just attacked theirs with the same kinds of weapons or worse? Could they permit a person to be put to death by capital punishment when their pardon would free that person? Would they be able to order a hijacked airline shot down to prevent it being used as a weapon? I don't doubt the management abilities of women in the least bit, but I do question the abilities of them to make decisions that they know will cost the lives of people if they are these life-honoring and motherly creatures that everyone seems to believe.

As many others here have already said its not about one sex being better than the other, neither really is perfect for the job of ruler and thats why cabinets comprised of many people from different backgrounds and likely being made up of members of both sexes have become quite popular around the world.

TheBadge your a female correct? .........Realtruth starts to trip out

hahaha yes i am