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Originally posted by Don Wahn
How insane is this? Granted the opinion of Muslims is pretty darn skewed here in the US, but how on earth can they be getting grants from the government.
It has already been seen that the most peaceful, devout Muslims are still wanting to wage jihad on us infidels, and what could help them destroy us more quickly than to have our own buffoon government give them money directly.
Originally posted by edsinger
I agree that the word jihad has been hijacked for the most part, but I also read a different meaning when "I" read it in the Koran. We also saw a different meaning in Afghanistan in the 1980's....
Originally posted by edsinger
Read the stories in the Koran of Muhammad's rise to power and his call for Jihad against the infidels and then learn the meaning of infidels for a reference. His treatment of Jews was particularly bad after they refuse to accept him as a prophet. When folks say it is supposed to mean a inner struggle, not every occasion in the Koran would agree, actually the majority refers to spreading Islam by the sword.
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[8.13] This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[9.122] And it does not beseem the believers that they should go forth all together; why should not then a company from every party from among them go forth that they may apply themselves to obtain understanding in religion, and that they may warn their people when they come back to them that they may be cautious?
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
SORAH 8 SPOILS OF WAR
routed and several of their most prominent chieftains - Abu Jahl among them - were killed.
It was the first open battle between the pagan Quraysh and the young Muslim community of Medina; and its outcome made the Quraysh realize that the movement inaugurated by Muhammad was not an ephemeral dream but the beginning of a new political power and a new era different from anything that the Arabian past had known.
**Lit., "seeing that God has thrown them back in result of what they have earned". There are various conjectures, almost all of them of a historical nature, as to the identity of these hypocrites. Some of the commentators think that the verse refers to the hypocrites at Medina in the early years after the hijrah; others (e.g., Tabari) prefer the view expressed by Ibn ‘Abbas, according to whom this refers to certain people of Mecca who, before the hijrah, outwardly accepted Islam but secretly continued to support the pagan Quraysh.
Originally posted by edsinger
You can get your site to explain the Koran as I can, but the fact remains that in the present day, jihad has a meaning all its own.
Originally posted by forestlady
Only to uninformed Americans. And only to those who refuse to listen when they might learn something from another person.
Originally posted by bodrul
i bet he didnt even read the explanations to any of the paragraphs he posted
You can explain the verses as meaning something to a specific place and time, but the Koran if full of that, and the fact remains that infidels are targets unless they accept Islam.
So you take the word jihad to only mean inner struggle, that is what most Muslim apologists do and yet when verses are pointed out in the Quran , Hadith, or Sira, they immediately claim that was just said for that specific occasion.
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The word Jihad is from the Arabic root word JHD which basically means striving or struggle. The question is striving for what or a struggle for what? The struggle is of two types, one is inner and one is outer. Both have the same purpose which is to change the status quo - a status which is not in line with God's will or not in line with nature as such, a status which causes unrest and disturbance. Thus, if there is an evil temptation for wrong doing and we struggle very hard to overcome that temptation, it is striving in the cause of God and is considered one of the best forms of Jihad. Thus if there is a tyrant ruler who is oppressing people and one stands up to that tyrant and says a word of truth against his rule it is also one form of Jihad.
Sure I recognize that not all Muslims are violent and want "Death to America", but the day of 9/11 when I see the celebrations in the streets of the Arab world, that says more than anyone could imagine.
Originally posted by bodruli am a muslim so i would know what it means, or does being muslim make me a Muslim apologists? and you a islamophobic?Jihad means Struggle
Originally posted by bodrulwhy do these people shout Death to america?i am sure its more to do with the USs stance in the middle east and less to do with faith, also last time i checked the attackers were former groups created by the US in the first place,
Originally posted by bodruli just have suggestion speak to muslims in real life you will learn more and yes i am studying islam as required by my faith
Originally posted by bodrulanyhow its up to you mate if you want to learn something or just brush it aside
Originally posted by edsinger
We helped free Afghanistan from Soviet domination by helping the rebels and they thank us by 9/11, gee nice folks.
Originally posted by forestladyEd, Afghanistan had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Yet, we still went ahead and attacked Afghanistan. Their lives were already horrifying and poverty-stricken, yet we attacked a defenseless country and bombed them back to the stone age. Are you starting to understand, at least a little, why the Middle East hates U.S. foreign policies?
Originally posted by forestladyYou also gave an URL for looking up Jihad, so I went there, clicked on the Guardian's link and this is the definition I found, from your own sources:
Originally posted by forestlady
Ed, I think you're cherry-picking information here. The Koran also tells Moslems to give hospitality to their enemies and to treat them as well as they would treat any Moslem. Yet, you don't include that.
Originally posted by forestlady
You can go all through the Bible and find many acts of violence and a whole helluva lot of misogynist (women-hating) verses. I notice you didn't include that information, you only cited one example and dismissed all the others.
Originally posted by forestladyYou won't learn anything if you approach the subject with a closed-mind with preconceived notions.
The Western mindset is so different from the Eastern one, that much study about Eastern thought/philosophy in general is required to understand the differences and nuances.