symbols everywhere

Moses inherited his knowledge from the pharohs, and the mysteries of the ancient initiates. This knowledge was put into the form of kabalah, and studied by the jewish mystics.

Well this is beautiful, since the bible does not say a word on this, in fact I can not find anywhere in the bible this as a teaching.

"And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds." (Acts 7:22)

to ROCK PUCK:

What degree mason are you if i can ask? see i was describing and directly taking from a 33rd degree mason who in his currently not-so-secret memoirs wrote that the inner secret to the order was lucifarianism, but initiates are left to drift in there own confusion, seeing christianity like islam in some sick way, when you well know its not certainly in most of american cities, because it was all along a positive branch of the real message of christ, not what your twisted mind turns it into i would guess. And ask yourselves why so many stupid punks like me would call the order folly at the least, and why you all secretely hate it all under your breath, i just dislike the masonic order for its stupid idealism permeating into every faucet of our society, like an infestation. i mean you would think as somewhat of a christian i would agree with the tenets of the order, and i do on the surface, but the inner revelation from high level masons of the past, lead me to doubt with veracity, that the orders drivers arent taking us all on a suicide ride.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

What degree mason are you if i can ask?

I am a Master Mason. See, I decided not to become a 32nd in a day because I felt there was still more to be learned through patience.

see i was describing and directly taking from a 33rd degree mason who in his currently not-so-secret memoirs wrote that the inner secret to the order was lucifarianism,

Hmmm

I have read the degrees of every degree in Masonry, I know exactly what happens in each one, however you are missing one vital point...

The 3rd degree is just as "high" as the 33rd.. while the 33rd is actually honorary, it can be attained by anyone who commits to his lodge, the craft and his community.

Being a 33rd is VERY prestigious .. but it does not make a 33rd more "enlightened" then anyone else, in fact the one 33rd I do know here in my own home town is not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

Besides, what is "Luciferianism" .. Breaking the word down to its Latin meaning it would mean "Those who hold the light" or "study of the light bearer" either or. Lucifer is a reference to Venus in the Bible, which Jesus represents .. Jesus is Lucifer's light, while "Lucifer" the name is mentioned once, the lost translations of the bible no doubt lost it's true meaning.

Ah yes, the KJV bible WAS mistranslated. Rather shabby job at that, but hey, Dogma must be manipulated in order for total control.

but initiates are left to drift in there own confusion

Ahh..... and are you a Mason my friend? ... No? ... Well we could use more like you.. lost and confused we can hardly open lodge unless a grand 33rd comes to save us.

seeing christianity like islam in some sick way

Eh? Pardon?

when you well know its not certainly in most of american cities

What exactly are you talking about?

because it was all along a positive branch of the real message of christ

What was? Masonry? Masonry was most likely founded on the escape of oppression in the name of God that was inflicted upon the regions in which Masonry sprang from.

It is a philosophy that the only way to self betterment is to simply do good, because you can, while other do good out of fear of the law of Dogma, Cannon Law, ect, ect.

There are many ways to God, and organized religion will not aid you in that quest.

not what your twisted mind turns it into i would guess.

Your guess is apparently fueled by religious intolerance. Your own ideology is therefore supreme.

And ask yourselves why so many stupid punks like me would call the order folly at the least, and why you all secretely hate it all under your breath,

Hmm.. simply because your "stupid punks" would be sufficiant I suppose. I would bet that it stems from religious ideologies that cannot be altered, and the mere thought that someone thinks in another manor then which you do makes you feel like your may be incorrect, or that you are missing out on something better, more important, and feel angry because you can't be in on it and cannot comprehend because your first set of ideological beliefs hold you back. Without the comprehension of the teachings hate and anger is bred within your self, through confusion and self righteousnesses you consider your self "better"

But hey, thats just my opinion.

Do Masons "hate" people like your self and your rather pathetic ideas? .. Mostly its laughable, its saddening, and sometimes blatant ignorance does tend to make a Brother mad.

i just dislike the masonic order for its stupid idealism permeating into every faucet of our society, like an infestation.

Such vile feelings you feel for a people you don't know. We call this bigotry.

But do tell, do tell, how exactly does Masonry effect YOU specifically?

i mean you would think as somewhat of a christian i would agree with the tenets of the order, and i do on the surface,

You being a Christian means nothing to understanding the teachings, meanings, or purpose of Masonry. As a man I would expect you to see the teachings are also in the basic corner stones of all the worlds major religions, past, present, and future.

Just without the Dogma.

Ah yes, the KJV bible WAS mistranslated. Rather shabby job at that, but hey, Dogma must be manipulated in order for total control

So you do the same thing today, only reversed, and sinking faster than a church, though misguided and driven insane by its own ineptitude, the masonic approach has been flawed from the start, and i believe the true church would never compare the Christ, one who suffered 40 days and nights with lucifers whispering annoyances, with a liar, because to me the visions are the fulfillment to the bible, ill let the happy masons misinterpret them in there prideful states, but remember who was cast aside but will become the capstone, it will not be a mason, no it will be truth. truth has no rank or cage that holds it, it is. always. but i enjoyed reading your attempt to twist my words and meanings, like masons do with everything they touch.

Originally posted by mastermind77


What degree mason are you if i can ask? see i was describing and directly taking from a 33rd degree mason who in his currently not-so-secret memoirs wrote that the inner secret to the order was lucifarianism

And what "33rd degree Mason" is that? Are you sure you haven't been scammed?

And ask yourselves why so many stupid punks like me would call the order folly at the least, and why you all secretely hate it all under your breath, i just dislike the masonic order for its stupid idealism permeating into every faucet of our society, like an infestation.

What's wrong with idealism? I think that's exactly what the world needs right now....and lots of it!

i mean you would think as somewhat of a christian i would agree with the tenets of the order, and i do on the surface, but the inner revelation from high level masons of the past, lead me to doubt with veracity, that the orders drivers arent taking us all on a suicide ride.

The "high level Masons of the past" have said the exact same thing that we say today. Have you actually read any of the books by those authors? I don't mean a few quotes taken here and there out of context and plastered on conspiracy websites...I mean have you actually read the books?

For all the breakdowns you did and time spent i will reply as thoroughly as i can masonic light.

I doubt the bible was more than mistranslated by mistake. And after KJV the sects of catholics were the first to create a religious order or structure. which to my understanding, is where the spirit of masonry began after the oppression began, i could be wrong. Either way I can tell your upset and feeling insulted. what i say is not intended as a personal attack, but rather towards those who are doing the evil. I cant say everyone in masonry is bad, they arent. But the light of lucifer hides your eyes from the darkness, behind the veil of secrets in the lower ranks i would assume. You support socialism? Because that is the athiest or Godless system that seems to be popular among the wealthy or elite players. Hey it works, until it fails again.. when here in front of you is a life providing planet that sadly, the builders map out and build upon with endless greed, and when does it stop is all im asking? Lucifer...? hmm. Why 2000+ years ago was he called the first murder, or deceiver, the dragon, the accuser? why is that? the bible is very clear to me about these days. And again the bible is very accurate. Nice try to sway my faith though. This is why i think either satanism or socialists are invading our country through these secret orgs. And I dont put it past either one to commit tyranny or scheme it up. no offense of course.

I doubt the bible was more than mistranslated by mistake.

It was not by mistake..

And after KJV the sects of catholics were the first to create a religious order or structure. which to my understanding, is where the spirit of masonry began after the oppression began, i could be wrong.

The KJV is in a line of other mistranslated Bibles, but like the New World Bible it was made to be more "modern" for the times. And I to agree Masonry was in part founded out of oppression, though naturally more complicated then that.

Either way I can tell your upset and feeling insulted.

I doubt hes upset. Do you think what you post is new to him?

what i say is not intended as a personal attack, but rather towards those who are doing the evil.

Darn evil Masons. Tell me, good sir, who are Evil Masons, what Evil do they partake in, and how exactly do you know this? ..... If you want, I could talk for days on end about Evil Christians.

I cant say everyone in masonry is bad, they arent.

Soooooo your saying that we are like every institution made of Humans, that there are those who are wicked in the sense of poor character ....... K.....

But the light of lucifer hides your eyes from the darkness,

I find that to be an oxymoron for some reason.. the light blinds from darkness.... the light of Lucifer? .. Who is Lucifer? ... Jesus?

behind the veil of secrets in the lower ranks i would assume.

Those in a position of power are there because they are ELECTED by the "lower peons" if you will. You my friend, are obviously not a Mason.

You support socialism?

While I am personally against Socialism, ML is not, we had a rather nice debate on it at one point.. however Masonry its self does NOT stand by a political ideology, and one mans political beliefs are his own, and to scrutinize in a manor of demeaning and malicious intentions, is in its self both Evil and ignorant.

Because that is the athiest or Godless system that seems to be popular among the wealthy or elite players.

What? Are you serious?

Hey it works, until it fails again.. when here in front of you is a life providing planet that sadly, the builders map out and build upon with endless greed, and when does it stop is all im asking?

I almost agree but I have no idea what your actually talking about.

Lucifer...? hmm. Why 2000+ years ago was he called the first murder, or deceiver, the dragon, the accuser? why is that? the bible is very clear to me about these days.

Lucifer was not called such things. Lucifer is the Morning Star, which Jesus is also the morning star, which Lucifer or Light BEarer would be a fitting title no?

And again the bible is very accurate.

A min ago you admitted it was heavily mistranslated...........................

Nice try to sway my faith though.

Faith, when pressed on others becomes a weapon. No one has tried to sway your beliefs friend, if you feel so, then perhaps you doubt your self.

This is why i think either satanism or socialists are invading our country through these secret orgs. And I dont put it past either one to commit tyranny or scheme it up. no offense of course.

Ah evil socialist and evil satanic Masons are her to ruin your good time. Talk about over paranoia......

..argghh..

k rockpuck. your the shizzy. Is that what you like to hear? I love you man, you are king of my world, and the dogma of diversity is master of all that live. lol..

Look, Im not typing correctly or your misquoting. Yes the devil is called directly lucifer, the dragon, the 1st murder etc.. Why wouldnt a loving god or alien or whatever it is tell his followers who to look out for?

And the "evil masons thing", no im not a mason, "no thank you!" as shattner states in his comic tune. but im not agains all masons or many of the principles, i myself enjoy the rank up style video games, im MERELY pointing out that yes there are definitely serious doubts as to anyone who has to be overtly secret in nature, and promote mystery, then tell everyone your ok and nice, while the world is seemingly replete in positions of power with masons or freemasons, basicly for the layperson looks at a decaying state of his historic freedoms, it seems like there is a deliberate cou-de-tah coming from within one or many of the secret societies within concentric circles of men and women in power and wealth, whoever these fools may choose themselves to be. they betray if they do, their brothers and sisters under the sun no less, and are equal to masons of any level, your the same material. carbon. And being better in some aspect, you should know to share if you dont already that talent or affection towards goodness for eachother, rather than selfish thinking if you are.
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"ive been screwed before, and its never..ever happening again!

you are king of my world, and the dogma of diversity is master of all that live

Hmmmm .. I think the title is fitting.. now if everyone would start talking to me like this my ego would finally me content..

Look, Im not typing correctly or your misquoting.

Control C mate, no mis quoting.

Yes the devil is called directly lucifer, the dragon, the 1st murder etc..

Hmmm.. Where is "Lucifer" called Dragon, and where is "Lucifer" called First Murder, and shall we add the many dozens of other names? Lord of flies, prince of darkness, ruler of the abyss...

Why wouldnt a loving god or alien or whatever it is tell his followers who to look out for?

Alien? What?

If God is what God is to the Christians, then the development of the rebellion that led to the rise of Satan or his "punishment" shows then the lack of an ineffable plan, thus defeating the existence of God himself. Hell and the likes are scare tactics, taken from many, many religions, only the Church had a special way of really scaring people with it.... like telling children when they go to confession if they don't say every thing the floor would open up and Satan would claim them..... in the name of God of course...

And the "evil masons thing", no im not a mason, "no thank you!" as shattner states in his comic tune.

And here I was expecting you to really be one.

but im not agains all masons or many of the principles, i myself enjoy the rank up style video games,

I don't know about the game bit, though I am so very interested...... who are the Masons you don't like? Specifically? ...... or.. do you hate what you think exist, though not sure if it does, but hate the possibility of the existence of which you despise and thus blind hate (ignorance) is then directed at anyone whom you assume may (or may not but probable) be categorized as "evil mason"..........

im MERELY pointing out that yes there are definitely serious doubts as to anyone who has to be overtly secret in nature

Hmmmmmm.... What exactly do you think the "secrets are" ........

and promote mystery

Mystery is a great quality, it ensures that only those who care enough venture into the unknown to find that which they seek.. if it was open and explained in full officially, then anyone would join just for the sake of joining, not that it does not happen already, but it would be horrific in Masonry..

then tell everyone your ok and nice, while the world is seemingly replete in positions of power with masons or freemasons

Hmm like the chicken and the egg, who came first.. the great man who sought to be a mason, or the weak man whom was made great by Masonry?

Great men, and those who attain power, are born.. not made..

basicly for the layperson looks at a decaying state of his historic freedoms, it seems like there is a deliberate cou-de-tah coming from within one or many of the secret societies within concentric circles of men and women in power and wealth

So.. you then assume that all Masons and every other society are united in the cause to bring about a revolution against the people.. undoing exactly what Masonry helped or caused the establishment of in the 1700's, it is in a sense building your own enemy to attack your self, which it in its self makes no sense because the degration of the United States is the degration of Masonic principles...

If Masonry its self cannot stand on one political foundation.. hell as stated some are Socialist, Libertarians, Conservatives, Greene Party, what ever.. but what? You think we are all united to dominate the people, ending Capitalism and thus erasing the very wealth that the wealthy hold. OK that makes sense all right....

whoever these fools may choose themselves to be.

Ahem. I assume they claim their greatness is a product of their own doing. I would only assume so as well.

they betray if they do, their brothers and sisters under the sun no less, and are equal to masons of any level, your the same material. carbon.

hmmmm. So all wealthy people are Masons, or associated with Masons, thus all Masons are the same and are betraying every other living being by being what they are. Ahem. Ok.

And being better in some aspect, you should know to share if you dont already that talent or affection towards goodness for each other, rather than selfish thinking if you are.

My friend, I have no idea what the hell your going on about now.. share the secrets? ... Become a Mason, I will be glad to...

@rockpuck: i love masonic rebuttals seeing that you arent a christian then you can be a member of certain masonic bodies such as the knights templar, correct?

Originally posted by RedPill
Masonry has for its foundation the study of geometry. So it would be difficult to make a logo or design that did not include some of the most rudimentary geometric forms. As for masonic symbols, here are a few you did not mention:

The 24 inch Gauge
The Gavel
The Plumb
The Square
The Level
The Trawl

When you see these things appear in car tail lights, let us know.

haha i see those in car tail lights all the time!

Originally posted by justanothergangster
i really really want to contribute to this discussion but i think i took way too much diphenhydramine the keyboard is many many colors and covered with rearranging masonic symbols that can talk....car taillights you say?

haha, if youre serious ive read that benadryll trips can be scary, in that you cant differentiate whats real and whats a hallucination. maybe your keyboard is covered with masonic symbols that can only be viewed by the enlightened (intoxicated) one

Originally posted by mastermind77
ok please stop refering to me as being stupid by saying im on some kind of drug..i am, but only at parties, and thats rare.

he's speaking of benadryll, its an OTC anti-histamine/sleep aid

pepsi78
Point number 2, by this statement pike states that masonary is a religion.

so what you're trying to say is that masonry is a religion that requires you to be a member of another religion to become a member? that doesnt make sense. thats like saying "you have to believe of Islam to be a member of the jewish faith". to join appendant bodies of freemasonry you have to be a believe of the christian faith, ex. the knights templar (not the medieval knights templar, the order which is based in york rite masonry)

Nammu
How can anyone deny the Mazda sign is an owl? A tribute to Molock or what?... The 1st piece of symbolism I spotted when i started to learn about it was a depiction of Queen Semiramis holding a staff with an owl on one side and a serpent on the other.....Masonic symbolism isn't designed to be openly in your face, it's designed to be out of view and secret like the society itself. A lot of the time it's hidden and coded to keep it away from the masses. That's pretty sinister to me.

why would the japanese pay tribute to Ba'al? the mazda sign slightly looks like an owl if you stand on your head, spin around in circles then bash your head again the wall multiple times. i think youre looking too much into it, its an M integrated into a circle, nothing more. AFAIK owls and serpents have nothing to do with masonry, but i could be wrong as I am not a mason (yet). Back in the ancient days masonic symbols and modes of recognition had to be secretive because you were persecuted for being a mason, it is just tradition now.

@rockpuck: he probably doesnt even know what a master mason is

as for the last page of this thread, if masons were so evil and sinister why would they be helping sick/disabled children and burn victims left and right (most of the time for free) and outreaching to the community whenever possible? its all a guise to fool us isnt is mastermind? the philanthropic masons who mean no harm once so ever are going to do a complete 180 and take over the world, watch out.

@rockpuck: i love masonic rebuttals seeing that you arent a christian then you can be a member of certain masonic bodies such as the knights templar, correct?

.. I am Catholic so yes, I can be a member of the York Rite, which I believe is what you where referring to...

haha i see those in car tail lights all the time!

Not likely, though not impossible... usually its just a square and compass...

so what you're trying to say is that masonry is a religion that requires you to be a member of another religion to become a member? that doesnt make sense. thats like saying "you have to believe of Islam to be a member of the jewish faith". to join appendant bodies of freemasonry you have to be a believe of the christian faith, ex. the knights templar (not the medieval knights templar, the order which is based in york rite masonry)

A religion has to be a set faith of beliefs in a single God, or panthology of that God, and must contain some kind of Dogma that directs some kind of worship to some body be it material or spiritual.

Masonry it's self is like an add on to what ever religion you belong to.. it is a Philosophy.

why would the japanese pay tribute to Ba'al? the mazda sign slightly looks like an owl if you stand on your head, spin around in circles then bash your head again the wall multiple times.

LOL. I looked and looked, I just cannot see the owl either...

owls and serpents have nothing to do with masonry,

The owl has nothing at all to do with Masonry, true, but the Serpent is sometimes added by certain individuals who like the symbology, how ever it is not an official Masonic symbol.. but it used (often on Aprons) by some members some times, if that makes sense. It is a symbol of re-birth, wisdom ect, ect..

Back in the ancient days masonic symbols and modes of recognition had to be secretive because you were persecuted for being a mason, it is just tradition now.

Which is where the whole idea of secrecy even came from.. when being persecuted you must hide, while being open enough to be able to identify one another.. in the Enlightenment Age they came out in the open, but only because they where newer days, and the system was well ingrained in society.. it then became tradition as you say, but of course Privacy from the entire world is entirely understandable .. I can think of few truly "open" societies..

as for the last page of this thread, if masons were so evil and sinister why would they be helping sick/disabled children and burn victims left and right (most of the time for free) and outreaching to the community whenever possible? its all a guise to fool us isnt is mastermind? the philanthropic masons who mean no harm once so ever are going to do a complete 180 and take over the world, watch out.

LOL .. true true..

I can honestly say my lodge does more charity then my Church which has a few thousand members, compared to a few hundred of my lodge.

We just recently held a charity event to raise money for Special Olympics of Ohio, and raised several thousand dollars just in one weekend, combined with all of our other events that raised further thousands of dollars.

But of course its a secret plan to use disabled child athletes as weapons against the good and honest God fearing people of the world... you will soon belong to us!

On Friday, June 22nd, members of the 529 Ohio Masonic Lodges will lead the Parade of Athletes, which will start the official ceremonies of the Special Olympic State Summer Games. The Games will be held at Jesse Owens Sports Complex in Columbus. Approximately 3200 athletes with mental retardation from across the state will take part in this event.

Yes, that is a picture of hundreds of Masons that took a day off work to specifically march in the parade to show support for the games, the charity, and the Craft.. Ahem.. I mean, that is the Masonic army marching to a top secret meeting in our command center under the stadium where we will discuss the next move in conquering the world.

Forgot source link... der...

Freemasons of Ohio

[edit on 6/12/2007 by Rockpuck]

seedoftruth.com...

check out section on Illuminati & Globalist New World Order.

Originally posted by mastermind77And yes i am crazy enough to believe that evil has vexed our planet by way of government and corporate treachery and tyranny.

Actually, you are crazy enough to believe in Christianity, IF anything.

If you knew one true thing about the Masons, you would know that the supreme being that they believe in is NOT the devil. Yes, the name of that supreme being is Lucifer, or otherwise known as Satan, however, it is not the "devil" as the Christian Bible would have you believe. The "devil" is a silly idea most likely created by Zionists.

Originally posted by mastermind777Because I know the Bible is right, I know im right, and yes im anti-anything that calls evil good or blurs truth.

If you were "anti-anything" as you claim to be, you wouldn't be believing in the bible, that's for sure. The only thing you have to base that on are your delusions. There's more than enough evidence to support that Christianity is ruthless and is a SEVERE form a mind control.

Originally posted by mastermind777Egyptian religion is devious

So it's only obvious you know nothing about the Annunaki, which comprises of, as far as I've read, Reptilians and Vulturites.

Originally posted by mastermind777God knew this and warned man to stray from these thinkers, no matter what race. And went so far as to curse any nation that does business with them.

Looks like you'll believe anything the bible tells you. Here's a warning to the ladies, watch out for this creep, since he obviusly believes in the bible, he'll most likely commit rape! Don't believe me? Just read the bible and find out for yourself!

Hey Rockpuck, I didn't see any of yours or others posts (I only read the first few replies) before I posted mine. Is all of what I posted about Freemasonry correct? If not, I'll edit it.

BTW, mastermind777 seems to read a lot of David Icke with a hint of Alex Jones, eh? I used to believe what David Icke had to say about the Masons, and somehow I feel ashamed to admit that though... But I guess it's only wise to bear shame and see through the lies.

David Icke would have us believe that the Masons are "devil worshippers" and commit heinous acts against children. Which is compleltey absurd, and I'm sure you've heard it before, as well as Masonic Light. Alex Jones pretty much blames everything on "luciferians", as he puts it, but as far as I know, he has never mentioned Skull and Bones (which I bet has a strong connection with Israel).

There's also someone named Ted L. Gunderson who has held public speeches about these supposed "devil worshippers", and I honestly doubt his credibility as well.

I've had this notion for a while now that, throughout history, the Freemasons have been scapegoats for the ones who are really behind world events, who really control what's going on.

[edit on 23-6-2007 by Mercury144]

Ok , i will concede my disgust towards masonry in general, but finish by saying i think its possible people who get into masonry, say high levels, can become or go into the order with the intent to use it and abuse it, the thing that nails my beliefs home that there is a conspiracy at the highest levels of both freemasonry and government is again..

thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com...

watch stargate 911 or cuboid stargate, the magic mushrooms and moses, its all very interersting indeed. So ML and RP, I dont hate you ok. Its likely things happened for a reason, for me, there is a master builder, or rather God, who pulls the strings here, and is merely guiding us within whatever timeline wwe choose to create for ourselves. Meaning were fated in an changeable timeline, but the bible merely says people wont make those smart choices. And the devil is reffered to in the bible as the accuser, the first murder, its in hebrew or greek, i studied with a pastor a while ago with a concordance. It took some cross referencing but i sadly forget where.

Originally posted by Mercury144


Actually, you are crazy enough to believe in Christianity, IF anything....

Looks like you'll believe anything the bible tells you. Here's a warning to the ladies, watch out for this creep, since he obviusly believes in the bible, he'll most likely commit rape! Don't believe me? Just read the bible and find out for yourself!

where the hell do you come off saying this, F you dude, the ladies love me. I wont threaten you although its highly offensive what you just said there, say it to my face?.. And about my ignorance..well we can just wait for time to prove either of us wrong. Christ is real and lived, died on a cross, his and others before him prophecy is being fulfilled and shown real by the ignorance of mockery like yours, and yes christians are nuts, and is why im not a church goer, but merely choose to observe time and events in relation to prophecy and metaphore in the bible or any other cultures writings. And ill have you know ive partied hard in life and still keep some time to let loose. Yes christians are stagnant frustrating morons alot, but Christ was a self sacrificing genius for his time, and for ours. Its yours and christians lack of foresight, caution and loose thinking that leads you to assume a worldly thought and mock me.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
No, it doesn't. The "underworld" was not "hell" to the Greeks and Egyptians in the sense you are trying to use it. In the myth, Osiris redeemed the underworld through his death and resurrection, granting immortality to the just and virtuous.

Same as Jesus did. Christianity is a copy of a copy of a copy, ... This story about Son of God, 3 Kings (stars), Dec 25, death & resurrection repeats a lot of times in recorded history and some more times in long forgotten history.

Religions are used as impulses to the brain of humanity, to stimulate it to react and in effect develop. Of course man needs to kill and oppress until it reaches certain level, but thats normal. Bad is good sometimes and good is bad too.

About symbolism, i find it beautiful, not evil. We need more of that, not less.

[edit on 23-6-2007 by sb2012]

Originally posted by sb2012

Originally posted by Masonic Light
No, it doesn't. The "underworld" was not "hell" to the Greeks and Egyptians in the sense you are trying to use it. In the myth, Osiris redeemed the underworld through his death and resurrection, granting immortality to the just and virtuous.

Same as Jesus did. Christianity is a copy of a copy of a copy, ... This story about Son of God, 3 Kings (stars), Dec 25, death & resurrection repeats a lot of times in recorded history and some more times in long forgotten history.

Religions are used as impulses to the brain of humanity, to stimulate it to react and in effect develop. Of course man needs to kill and oppress until it reaches certain level, but thats normal. Bad is good sometimes and good is bad too.

About symbolism, i find it beautiful, not evil. We need more of that, not less.

[edit on 23-6-2007 by sb2012]

christianity might be a copy, but what christ intended isnt, christianity often ignores anything outside its own sectarian walls as doctrine, adhering to tradition rather than intellectual exploration. Which in the end of course leaves it out to dry. Christ was smarter than modern christianity.

[edit on 23-6-2007 by mastermind77]

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Originally posted by mastermind77


where the hell do you come off saying this, F you dude, the ladies love me. I wont threaten you although its highly offensive what you just said there, say it to my face?.. And about my ignorance..well we can just wait for time to prove either of us wrong. Christ is real and lived, died on a cross, his and others before him prophecy is being fulfilled and shown real by the ignorance of mockery like yours, and yes christians are nuts, and is why im not a church goer, but merely choose to observe time and events in relation to prophecy and metaphore in the bible or any other cultures writings. And ill have you know ive partied hard in life and still keep some time to let loose. Yes christians are stagnant frustrating morons alot, but Christ was a self sacrificing genius for his time, and for ours. Its yours and christians lack of foresight, caution and loose thinking that leads you to assume a worldly thought and mock me.

You're right, what I said was very offensive, I apologise for that. I also apologise for attacking you, and not discussing what's at hand.

About your disgust towards Masonry, how did that come to be? I myself have never heard of the Freemasons until I seen a YouTube video where someone was standing outside of a lodge and was grabbing the attention of those who passed by exclaiming "do you know about these people? they are devil worshippers!!" Soon after, I read David Icke's book "The Biggest Secret", where he states that they are devil worshippers and child abusers. That's where my disgust for Masonry started. However, I recently bought a book called "The New World Order" by A. Ralph Epperson, where he goes into great detail about the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Humanists, a lot more, I should scan chapters of that book and share. In that book, he shows that the Masons are against Law (right to private property), Liberty (government), and Religion (this ones obvious ), they see those as the 3 assassins to man, a hindrance. Those 3 have never been mentioned by David Icke, as least not to my knowledge. Why he hasn't, and yet he claims to have done thorough research, is a bit suspicous. That's not the only thing that gets me to question Icke though.

As far as the Illuminati goes, I'm not sure where to start about them. That could very well be the highest level of Masonry, where the esoteric knowledge exists. Right now, I don't think the Masons are at the core of world events, much less partaking in any conspiracy. Bush is a member of Skull and Bones as with John Kerry, so no matter who won, S&B plans would still unfold one way or another. S&B seems to have a major part in this, and I bet they are connected to Israel and Zionism.

I do admit though, there was one symbol that I thought was associated with the Freemasons. It was on a commercial, for a medical center I think? I'm not sure, but the symbol reminded me of the compass with the slight V shaped ruler.