I don't know why people constantly feel the need to "explain" gay people. Why do they have to come with an explination?

Here's my theory on homosexuals....

They are just people. Leave them alone. They don't need explaining.

I'ts really quite simple isn't it?

personaly i belive homosexuality is a result of a persons upbringing, although other things can affect a person i suppose.

Why should any kind of homosexuality need an explanation?

As far as I'm concerned, sexuality is a very small part of any person and whatever floats their boat is fine by me as long as they are also a decent person.

This thread seems to have a slight homophobic feel to it.....

Originally posted by budski

Why should any kind of homosexuality need an explanation?

As far as I'm concerned, sexuality is a very small part of any person and whatever floats their boat is fine by me as long as they are also a decent person.

This thread seems to have a slight homophobic feel to it.....

As do all of these types of threads.

We only seek to explain the things we fear in my opinion.

Who cares WHY they are the way they are. Just live and let live.

Unfortunately I have to chime in here on the obvious slant that some posts have taken.

It was not my intent nor my desire to inflict any pain or suffering towards the gay community with this thread. Also, I would like to state that I am not homophobic and actually prescribe to a live and let live philosophy and I hold dear the inalienable rights outlined in our constitution of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness, for all people.

However, to say that gay people don't need any explaining is just ignorant. I understand what you are saying that they don't need to be explained in order to be accepted, I agree. Thats not what I am talking about.

What I am talking about is that most people are heterosexual, whereas a small minority prefer the same sex. Is it so wrong to wonder why?

Have you considered that Perhaps in understanding what makes a person gay will actually help them to be accepted by a larger majority.

Can't we all just agree that a Rainbow is a beautiful thing?



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Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
Have you considered that Perhaps in understanding what makes a person gay will actually help them to be accepted by a larger majority.

No. That's exactly my point.

If you need a REASON to accept somebody like that than you are doing it for the wrong reasons.

Perhaps once the gay community is "accepted" by this larger majority, then the understanding will follow. Not the other way around.

well for me personally I already accept my gay friends as the decent people that they are. Its only my curiousity that leads me to ask these questions, the same curiousity that had me ask my father why is the sky blue when I was a child, I just like to understand things and consider different possibilities for the unanswered questions.

Please don't take this thread the wrong way.

[edit on 8-5-2007 by Where2Hide2006]

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
well for me personally I already accept my gay friends as the decent people that they are. Its only my curiousity that leads me to ask these questions, the same curiousity that had me ask my father why is the sky blue when I was a child, I just like to understand things and consider different possibilities for the unanswered questions.

Please don't take this thread the wrong way.

[edit on 8-5-2007 by Where2Hide2006]

I'm not taking this the wrong way at all friend. Merely voicing my opinion. I don't think there is anything wrong with asking questions. I just think some people ask them for the wrong reasons.

Originally posted by budski
This thread seems to have a slight homophobic feel to it.....

My contribution was not homophobic. It is a novel thought that one can throw around in their minds. I shared this with my good friend and he enjoyed the idea --he did not outrightly dismiss the notion and said that he sort of likes it.

Explination does not denote homophobia whatsoever. Certain individuals may harbor such feelings but for the most part is simply seems to be an idea which, at the very least, should make you think for a bit.

If one attempts to explain why an individual is schizophrenic or autistic when it is a case with no readily apparant cause...they are not doing so in an attempt to explain away the individual or to hide their fear of that individual. They are simply attempting to understand another facet of the intricate and varried human experience.

There are many studies which attempt to discuss and explain sexual orientation. They are not labeled as homophobic...or heterophobic for that matter. They deal with a complicated part of what makes us unique as individuals within a species. I say it again: explination does not always denote phobia.

Oh, and before this gets brought up: No, I am not attempting to compare homosexuals to the mentally ill.

spines, I wasn't singling out any individual poster and I appreciate your contribution to this thread, thank you.

I would say that everyones a little gay, and some gays are a little straight. Its called Human. I'm gay and my brother is not. My parents did not raise us any different. I have friends who are twins...one is gay and one is not.
People who believe that there are more straights than gays, well, you could say that, but I would say 9 out of 10 times the so called straights I have come in contact with have either made advances towards me, flirted with or have pursued me. You would not believe all the married men I run into in the gay clubs either.
This problem mostly comes from society. Society tells a person more drawn to the same-sex to deny those feelings and be "Normal". So you have gay men getting married to women or visa versa and then either suppressing their feelings their whole life or cheating or leaving, 3 kids later, for their true desires.
What needs to happen is all these questions about "why" needs to stop, and accepting needs to begin. Its like asking why are there black people. There just are and we accept that (SHOULD, for those who do not).
You think its ok to anaylize gays, but what you are doing is treating us like lab rats, freaks of nature..when in reality we are part of nature. WE BELONG..and we will always be here. But what do I know...

BTW..I hate using the term "Black People"...People are People. Hopefully one day it wont be he's gay or she's gay..we will just be people too.

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Originally posted by spines

Originally posted by budski
This thread seems to have a slight homophobic feel to it.....

My contribution was not homophobic. It is a novel thought that one can throw around in their minds. I shared this with my good friend and he enjoyed the idea --he did not outrightly dismiss the notion and said that he sort of likes it.

Explination does not denote homophobia whatsoever. Certain individuals may harbor such feelings but for the most part is simply seems to be an idea which, at the very least, should make you think for a bit.

If one attempts to explain why an individual is schizophrenic or autistic when it is a case with no readily apparant cause...they are not doing so in an attempt to explain away the individual or to hide their fear of that individual. They are simply attempting to understand another facet of the intricate and varried human experience.

There are many studies which attempt to discuss and explain sexual orientation. They are not labeled as homophobic...or heterophobic for that matter. They deal with a complicated part of what makes us unique as individuals within a species. I say it again: explination does not always denote phobia.

Oh, and before this gets brought up: No, I am not attempting to compare homosexuals to the mentally ill.

But in wondering why someone is "different" you are seeking to marginalize them, intentionally or not, in the same way that ethnic groups are labelled "different"
At the end of the day, who cares why someone is gay, or whatever?
We should look at each other as human beings, and that is all.

Originally posted by nyk537


They are just people. Leave them alone. They don't need explaining.

I'ts really quite simple isn't it?

As a gay man I thank you! Gay men & women are complex creatures, but we dont need to be figured out... I think like another poster said, we are all a little gay.. some stay with it for whatever reason, and some dont.. who knows why what turns some people on.. I think a study was done (I would have to get the reference dont remember it) where they studied the responses of men to different kinds of porn- the most homophobic men showed a sexual response to man/man scenes at a higher rate than those that werent homophobic.. so whats that tell ya... lets all just drop the hate and fear and leave it be.

I would rather science & wannabe scientists try and figure out what makes a child molester, or murderer so we can treat those that prey on others..

In all honesty, I think there are tons and tons of more likely scientific explanations for why people are gay that your theory shouldn't even be considered unless we disprove all others.

To be honest, I don't think there is one solid explanation for all gay people, and I think there are different types of gay. I mean there are gay people who are probably born like that, for reasons mentioned in this thread already. And there are probably people who are gay from upbringing or gay because they got sick of the opposite sex, although I don't consider those people true gay people.

Originally posted by Kacen
In all honesty, I think there are tons and tons of more likely scientific explanations for why people are gay that your theory shouldn't even be considered unless we disprove all others.

To be honest, I don't think there is one solid explanation for all gay people, and I think there are different types of gay. I mean there are gay people who are probably born like that, for reasons mentioned in this thread already. And there are probably people who are gay from upbringing or gay because they got sick of the opposite sex, although I don't consider those people true gay people.

This is an excellent point.

That was also one of my points from earlier. By trying to "explain" gay people, you are putting them all into one catagory as if they aren't individuals.

Say for example you said you were going to try to explain the behavior of monkeys. You would have to specify what gene class, what species, what color, sex, age, etc... There is much more to a person than their sexuality. That needs to be kept in mind here.

****For the record, the monkeys are just an example, not a comparison. I know there are some crazy people out there who read WAY too much into things****

Perhaps someone should be looking into "why straight people are straight". How come that doesn't seem to interest people?

Just because the majority of people are straight doesn't mean that we aren't the ones who need studying.

Like my mother always said, "Just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right".

Originally posted by nyk537
Perhaps someone should be looking into "why straight people are straight". How come that doesn't seem to interest people?

Straight people are straight so they can procreate and continue the species, the reason is self evident. Being gay offers no such advantage, but there are so many gay people that there must be some reason behind it.
This thread postulates a spiritual reason, I think it’s scientific. So far no one knows so all theories are equally valid.

The theory seems flawed to me, as other(s) have pointed out, how is it that this is the one element of past life that shines through with such potency? I mean, workable light bulbs have only been around for lets say 110 years, correct? Then shouldn't by default a vast majority of us not understand a light bulb, since
it was not part of our former thousand of lives? If we live for thousands of years of incarnated then reincarnated life in the absence of something, such as a refrigerator, then shouldn't the one or two generations of lives we have which include refrigerators then shouldn't many of us have a natural fear of refrigerators?

Originally posted by OLDMAN_O
The theory seems flawed to me, as other(s) have pointed out, how is it that this is the one element of past life that shines through with such potency? I mean, workable light bulbs have only been around for lets say 110 years, correct? Then shouldn't by default a vast majority of us not understand a light bulb, since
it was not part of our former thousand of lives? If we live for thousands of years of incarnated then reincarnated life in the absence of something, such as a refrigerator, then shouldn't the one or two generations of lives we have which include refrigerators then shouldn't many of us have a natural fear of refrigerators?

That's an interesting concpet but it is also flawed IMO. I don't agree with the reincarnation stance on this but let's look at it.

Something such as sexuality is innate and could easly translate over from life to life. I don't think that we could take a rememberance of a material object with us through lives. If that were the case then you would see a lot of strange people around who couldn't do a lot of simple things. I think the only things that could be brought through into another life are things like sexuality, spirituality, etc.. Not material things.