Dots in the sky don't prove anything...

I get the feeling that you have not researched the UFO subject (or at least not much) yet you feel compelled to spout off like you know UFOs are nothing but secret earthly aircraft and laugh at us. What are you doing here? Go away. If you're going to contribute from a skeptical stand point then why don't you provide us with some solid proof and data of your point of view...?

Originally posted by bigdaddy7ftr
I'll take witnessing "dots" in the sky first hand that defy explaination, and behave like nothing else known to man, over seeing nothing at all anyday.

If you are referrencing the latest "UFO Fleet" video, then yes, I saw the same phenomenon the very next day in the same location. I also saw the "Craft" that flew overhead in Phoenix in 1997 before the "Phoenix Lights" footage that nearly everyone saw.

While I must say that seeing the "Craft" up close and directly overhead was by far the best sighting I had, and most exciting one; I still get excited every time I see something new. No matter how far away or obscure it may be.

Everytime I witness something new it makes me believe we are just that much closer to worldwide disclosure.

There is a HUGE difference between seeing an actual "craft" fly right over you and seeing a "dot" miles up in the sky.

Most of the "dots" that move around all crazy at 20,000MPH can't even be successfully proven to be actual "crafts." All it is, is a damn dot of light!

Originally posted by classified material
I get the feeling that you have not researched the UFO subject (or at least not much) yet you feel compelled to spout off like you know UFOs are nothing but secret earthly aircraft and laugh at us. What are you doing here? Go away. If you're going to contribute from a skeptical stand point then why don't you provide us with some solid proof and data of your point of view...?

I have not researched the UFO subject?

I went to high school in Roswell, New Mexico of all places, so I think I have been doing my research. I have been following the Aliens/UFO phenomenon since 1997. I probably know more than you, try me...

There is a huge difference between only having an object on radar and having an object on radar as well as having a pilot have a visual on the same object. This has happened so many times. Go do some research before you continue to spout off...

Originally posted by classified material
I get the feeling that you have not researched the UFO subject (or at least not much) yet you feel compelled to spout off like you know UFOs are nothing but secret earthly aircraft and laugh at us. What are you doing here? Go away. If you're going to contribute from a skeptical stand point then why don't you provide us with some solid proof and data of your point of view...?

And why should I prove anything? People like you are the ones with the fantastic fairy-tales, so YOU should do the proving.

It is common knowledge that Aliens are not here on Earth. You believe otherwise, which is looked at as somewhat ridiculous, therefore you should provide the proof since you make the fantastic claims.

And if you can't prove your fantastic claims, well then I think that constitutes as MY PROOF.

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by classified material
I get the feeling that you have not researched the UFO subject (or at least not much) yet you feel compelled to spout off like you know UFOs are nothing but secret earthly aircraft and laugh at us. What are you doing here? Go away. If you're going to contribute from a skeptical stand point then why don't you provide us with some solid proof and data of your point of view...?

I have not researched the UFO subject?

I went to high school in Roswell, New Mexico of all places, so I think I have been doing my research. I have been following the Aliens/UFO phenomenon since 1997. I probably know more than you, try me...

Some researcher you are. In all your posts in this thread youve made it quite clear that you do not believe in ET or UFo's other than it being military craft and then ask why we care even about that.
Seems you have allready made up your mind and want to convert others. sorry but Ill keep my informed mind open thank you very much.


[edit on 30-4-2007 by VType]

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by classified material
I get the feeling that you have not researched the UFO subject (or at least not much) yet you feel compelled to spout off like you know UFOs are nothing but secret earthly aircraft and laugh at us. What are you doing here? Go away. If you're going to contribute from a skeptical stand point then why don't you provide us with some solid proof and data of your point of view...?

And why should I prove anything? People like you are the ones with the fantastic fairy-tales, so YOU should do the proving.

It is common knowledge that Aliens are not here on Earth. You believe otherwise, which is looked at as somewhat ridiculous, therefore you should provide the proof since you make the fantastic claims.

And if you can't prove your fantastic claims, well then I think that constitutes as MY PROOF.

Fantastic fairy-tales? Wrong. Again, go look at the data and all the military folks who have said the UFO phenomena is very real.

You're the one saying all UFOs are of human origin. You have no proof of that. You shouldn't laugh at us when you really have no clue.

It is common knowledge that Aliens are not visiting Earth? Really? That's funny. Last time I checked the polls, the majority of the American public thinks otherwise.

I'm not saying I have proof. I'm saying there is enough data to keep investigating this subject and hold those in highest power within the Government and Military accountable for finding out what these UFOs are.

I'm done with you. You annoy me to death.

Originally posted by VType

Some researcher you are. In all your posts in this thread youve made it quite clear that you do not believe in ET or UFo's other than it being military craft and then ask why we care even about that.
Seems you have allready made up your mind and want to convert others. sorry but Ill keep my informed mind open thank you very much.


[edit on 30-4-2007 by VType]

I have been researching this crap for years, and I am STILL not convinced. When some real, actual PROOF surfaces, then maybe I will finally be 100% convinced, as would most everyone. But for now, videos of dots in the sky, eyewitness testimonies of dots in the sky, and even supposed radar reports of dots in the sky, and all the other "so-called evidences" are not enough to convince me that Aliens have been here to Earth...

Originally posted by classified material
Fantastic fairy-tales? Wrong. Again, go look at the data and all the military folks who have said the UFO phenomena is very real.

You're the one saying all UFOs are of human origin. You have no proof of that. You shouldn't laugh at us when you really have no clue.

It is common knowledge that Aliens are not visiting Earth? Really? That's funny. Last time I checked the polls, the majority of the American public thinks otherwise.

I'm not saying I have proof. I'm saying there is enough data to keep investigating this subject and hold those in highest power within the Government and Military accountable for finding out what these UFOs are.

I'm done with you. You annoy me to death.

No one said "UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS" are not real. I am saying that videos of these Unidentified Flying Objects are not proof of ALIEN BEINGS.

I have no proof that UFO's are of human origin? Why would you need proof of that? It's called common sense. Our civilization has been building aircraft for decades, why would they stop? Unless it is known for a fact that Aliens are here on Earth, then it would be ridiculous to assume that aircrafts flying around here are built by anyone OTHER THAN US.

I tend to doubt that UFOs in the 1950's and even of today going 20,000+ mph, are silent, have no wings, can stop on a dime, hover, and shoot straight up are of human origin.

You can think they are all you want. Until I see proof from the 1950's documenting these Air Force super flying saucers I don't believe that they're ours. Why would the Air Force have studied UFOs for decades if they knew what they were? They could have just said "UFOs aren't real" and just ignored it. Instead they kept having public investigations and releasing project data.

I just want proof either way. If ALL UFOs do end up being of human origin, at least I'll know. I just find the data interesting.



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Originally posted by classified material
I tend to doubt that UFOs in the 1950's and even of today going 20,000+ mph, are silent, have no wings, can stop on a dime, hover, and shoot straight up are of human origin.

You can't even prove what those "UFOs" in the 1950's were in the first place! You don't know for sure that those fast-moving dots in the sky are REALLY Aliens lol. Like I said earlier, no one knows for sure what the "dots" are.

You act like dots moving around fast in the sky proves that Aliens from other planets are here. Just because a dot of light moves around in the sky does not mean it is an actual spaceship. There are probably thousands of explanations for what the fast-moving dots could be...

Ok dude. They're all just dots. Happy now?

Originally posted by classified material

Ok dude. They're all just dots. Happy now?

I guess I'll be happy until someone can actually PROVE that they are something more than "just dots." You can't... and your argument that dots in the sky in the 1950's that moved in a certain way proves that Aliens are here is ridiculous...

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by classified material
I tend to doubt that UFOs in the 1950's and even of today going 20,000+ mph, are silent, have no wings, can stop on a dime, hover, and shoot straight up are of human origin.

You can't even prove what those "UFOs" in the 1950's were in the first place! You don't know for sure that those fast-moving dots in the sky are REALLY Aliens lol. Like I said earlier, no one knows for sure what the "dots" are.

You act like dots moving around fast in the sky proves that Aliens from other planets are here. Just because a dot of light moves around in the sky does not mean it is an actual spaceship. There are probably thousands of explanations for what the fast-moving dots could be...

Fair enough. However one of those thousands of explantions could be aliens. So as you say Who knows. However it boggles my mind how we(us gov) could possess such craft capable of such extremes for so long yet never use them in any conflict. That would be restraint like our leaders have never shown before and as unbeliveable as any alien story. Hell look at Nukes the minute we discovered them we implenented them and I bet the same is true with any other discoveries weve made(lasers,lf's,stealth,etc..). If the US had these craft surely they would use them to dominate militarily and politically. Right? Otherwise whats the sence of possesing such milestones?
IMO our Gov has some of these radical tech's but I dont think we are the inventors of them at all and more along the lines of borrowed,stolen or backwards engineering or ????.
Nature and the Universe is an ever unfolding secret and we are so far from true understanding that we scoff at other than conventional and convienant thought when discussing all the many mysteries and possibilities.
Im convinced it will take ET's mug to land on national tv and during primetime in order to be considered as real by most.
Yep we are real advanced arent we. We are probably no more than smart apes too ET in the sheme of things and a quick brief of the news on any given day pretty much confirms this sadly.




[edit on 30-4-2007 by VType]

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by classified material

Ok dude. They're all just dots. Happy now?

I guess I'll be happy until someone can actually PROVE that they are something more than "just dots." You can't... and your argument that dots in the sky in the 1950's that moved in a certain way proves that Aliens are here is ridiculous...

Originally posted by VType
Fair enough. However one of those thousands of explantions could be aliens. So as you say Who knows. However it boggles my mind how we(us gov) could possess such craft capable of such extremes for so long yet never use them in any conflict. That would be restraint like our leaders have never shown before and as unbeliveable as any alien story. Hell look at Nukes the minute we discovered them we implenented them and I bet the same is true with any other discoveries weve made(lasers,lf's,stealth,etc..). If the US had these craft surely they would use them to dominate militarily and politically. Right? Otherwise whats the sence of possesing such milestones?
IMO our Gov has some of these radical tech's but I dont think we are the inventors of them at all and more along the lines of borrowed,stolen or backwards engineering or ????.
Nature and the Universe is an ever unfolding secret and we are so far from true understanding that we scoff at other than conventional and convienant thought when discussing all the many mysteries and possibilities.
Im convinced it will take ET's mug to land on national tv and during primetime in order to be considered as real by most.
Yep we are real advanced arent we. We are probably no more than smart apes too ET in the sheme of things and a quick brief of the news on any given day pretty much confirms this sadly.

[edit on 30-4-2007 by VType]

Is there some international law somewhere that states every country must use all of their technology they have in a conflict?

If our technology is so much more advanced than that of other countries, then why would we need to unleash it on them? How exactly would Anti-Gravity propulsion systems help us defeat terrorist insurgents in Iraq? I doubt they would help much with a conflict like that at all...

It is possible that we got the techonology from Aliens in the first place, but I believe that most UFOs seen nowadays are our crafts... regardless of being reverse engineered from the Aliens, or if we invented them on our own.

Hey guys,
Listen, the Diplomat (who isn't) went to high school in Roswell, and as we all know, high school graduation in Roswell is a prerequisite for any serious UFO researcher. He has also studied UFOs since 1997, a ten year span that could mean "since he was ten" or could mean "since he retired." We don't really know (and I make no presumptions.)

The real issue I'm having a problem with is this: Where's the beef? I mean, what is the point of this thread?

Originally posted by schuyler
Hey guys,
Listen, the Diplomat (who isn't) went to high school in Roswell, and as we all know, high school graduation in Roswell is a prerequisite for any serious UFO researcher. He has also studied UFOs since 1997, a ten year span that could mean "since he was ten" or could mean "since he retired." We don't really know (and I make no presumptions.)

The real issue I'm having a problem with is this: Where's the beef? I mean, what is the point of this thread?

High school graduation in Roswell is not a prerequisite for any serious UFO researcher. My point was that by going to high school in Roswell, New Mexico of all places, OF COURSE I was going to become interested in the UFO/Alien phenomenon.

Yes, I have been studying the field for 10 years, since I was 14 in 1997... I am now 24.

The point of this thread is that videos of dots in the sky do not prove much of anything, and yet even people in this thread seem to think that they do...

Originally posted by Diplomat
The point is: If all these different species have been visiting our planet for many years, and even interacting with all kinds of random people, then we (the public) would know by now that Aliens exist for SURE.

The general public does not know this for sure, most actually believe the opposite.

Please show me a link to the data source that you used to determine that most people believe the opposite?

Are you just making that up, or can you support it with opinion poll data?

Originally posted by tezzajw
Please show me a link to the data source that you used to determine that most people believe the opposite?

Are you just making that up, or can you support it with opinion poll data?

Isn't it obvious? If the "general public" truly believed that little grey aliens fly around our skies every night, then the subject would not be treated as such a joke by everyone.

Look at the media. And I don't mean just the elite mainstream media. I'm talking about local news stations. Even they treat the subject as a joke and laugh about it any time they run a UFO segment. Go out on your own street and start asking people about Aliens. You will get the same type of response.

Last year I gave a speech about the Roswell crash at my University for a speech class. I was basically laughed at. Most people don't believe things unless there is actual PROOF or EVIDENCE, and if there really was some actual publicly accessible PROOF, then the average American citizen would not feel the way that they do about the subject of Aliens and UFOs...