Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

Originally posted by Shar
speakeroftruth,

Did you not say he also had a 9mm. Which is what many officers use. What about it being a 22magnum. Which shoots harder.

I didn't,no. Someone said that he had a 9mm and a .22 caliber, yes.

There are all kind's of .22's.

www.gunsamerica.com...

Originally posted by Samblak
There are all kind's of .22's.

www.gunsamerica.com...

I have shot the majority of those. However, I can't say I have ever encountered the TEC-22

becuase of this killing there will be finger scans now or in the near future

this was an inside job used to divert attention from the war

there will be more question than answers for this crime, that will never open pubicly

bring fear to feed those in power

Obviously this has been a devastating day for everyone.... I am going to have to call it quits here in a couple of minutes. It's too bad that something like this had to happen regardless of the means that it was done in.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Really? Well, being someone who was raised around guns, I can quite confidently tell you that unless all of those people that were shot with a .22 caliber gun were shot directly in the head or in a vital organ such as the heart or kidney, they did not die from a .22 caliber bullet. I can tell you that unequivocally.

Actually SpeakerofTruth you are incorrect. One of the most deadly bullet wounds that you can receive is from a .22, ask a medical person. This is because the bullet rapidly loses its power once it enters the body and does not have the power to punch back out the other side. This creates a scenario like a bullet being fired into a tank, it ricochets around in the softer interior tissue and bones until it comes to rest. So despite the fact that it may not kill as on the spot as a larger caliber gun, the internal damage it causes will make folks bleed out internally before all the holes can be plugged up. A more powerful round will either kill outright or make a cleaner wound then a smaller caliber bullet will.

Originally posted by roach2


this was an inside job used to divert attention from the war

I'd believe it was done more to draw attention to the gun laws here than to draw attention away from the war. I personally think,I don't know if this incident was related, that things happen like this and are used as an excuse to disarm the populace.

Originally posted by defcon5


Actually SpeakerofTruth you are incorrect. One of the most deadly bullet wounds that you can receive is from a .22, ask a medical person. This is because the bullet rapidly loses its power once it enters the body and does not have the power to punch back out the other side. This creates a scenario like a bullet being fired into a tank, it ricochets around in the softer interior tissue and bones until it comes to rest. So despite the fact that it may not kill as on the spot as a larger caliber gun, the internal damage it causes will make folks bleed out internally before all the holes can be plugged up. A more powerful round will either kill outright or make a cleaner wound then a smaller caliber bullet will.

I have said everything you just stated... However, just because it ricochets that does not mean it will hit a vital organ. I have mentioned that it ricochets several times. I have also stated that it may be the worst type of bullet you can be hit with. Read my posts.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I have said everything you just stated... However, just because it ricochets that does not mean it will hit a vital organ. I have mentioned that it ricochets several times. I have also stated that it may be the worst type of bullet you can be hit with. Read my posts.

It does not need to you can bleed out internally in under 15 minutes.
Ill look up the statistics for you...

Originally posted by Imperium Americana

You know what, with all due respect, I am going to take issue with this! On the first day of classes, last semester, a convict escaped from a hospital and was seen in the area. Guess what they did...locked down the campus!
Grover can attest to this fact, they swarmed the campus that day. Of course the cynic in me says that they only did that because another cop had been killed.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by Imperium Americana]

Yes thats true this guy escaped custody at a local hospital...shot and killed a security guard and shot and wounded a police officer, then later shot and killed another police officer and the police were all over that campus like bees on honey which is what makes this really seem so odd. I would have thought after the first shootings they would have had that campus on lock down. They claim that so many students were already in transit that it would have been impossible to lock it down (at 2700 acres I can see that) but the first day of classes was even more chaotic and they shut it down.

Defcon,I am not arguing that you cannot die from a .22 caliber... You certainly can. However, I guarantee you that .22 caliber deaths are no where near the ratio that you get from larger caliber. No where near it.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by roach2


this was an inside job used to divert attention from the war

I'd believe it was done more to draw attention to the gun laws here than to draw attention away from the war..

Kill two birds with one stone. You're both correct. Not just attention from the war but from E-Mail Gate.

They're so predictable its sickening. Human lives mean nothing as long as they can accomplish their goals. And the media feeds right into the frenzy- Yes, its newsworthy, its horrible what happened, but if i ran the news station i'd concentrate even more in our government.

More to come, folks! Stay tuned.

Like I said in an earlier posting from what I am hearing here, again 35 miles from the site, the man had ammo belts on.... I have marksman and sharpshooter ribbons from the military and .22's and 9 mm do not come with ammo belts... also those type of weapons do not shoot through doors which several of the students who barricaded themselves in their classrooms have reported happening.

FOX [Geraldo] is just reporting "insider info" from the initial police briefing room this a.m.


-girl shot in the head

-then R.A. (male)

-shooter: white guy, greasy hair, fled in black pickup with farm tags.

-could very well be two separate incidents


... wow, if it proves true.


[edit: to add] Yeah, I know .... FAUX]

[edit on 16-4-2007 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by grover
also those type of weapons do not shoot through doors which several of the students who barricaded themselves in their classrooms have reported happening.

Ayup. My guess is, military weapons, is that your guess, Grover?

9MM doesn't shoot through a door? Sorry but your very wrong there,I was shooting a 9mm with cheap bullets at a friend of mines auto repair shop last week.It was having absolutely no problem shooting through both sides of the junk car's he has in the back of his shop,lol , not to mention he also had a few junk doors that we shot through that looked like they came from a commercial building.This was all done with crappy bullets also.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by Samblak]

Just watched the CBS nightly news. They had a one hour special with the anchor on scene at the school. I couldn't help but sense two unspoken undertones and make one observation during the interview Ms. Couric had with the President of the University.

First the unspoken:
1) A complete lack of explanation of why they let this guy roam around killing people for 2 hours.

2) An obvious disappointment on Ms. Couric's part that the shooting did not involve assault weapons.

Second my observation:

It sure would have been nice if campus administration had locked down the campus in the beginning and gotten armed security personnel involved while waiting for police to arrive instead of "emailing" everyone to report any suspicious persons they may see on campus.

Just my opinion

DG,


I disagree. I do not believe the government did this. I think it was this mess up kid. Who has watched to many violent movies and played to many violent games. Who probably has parents at work all day and gives him no attention.

sam? - speaker?

The Weaponry Forum is down the hall and to the right ... if memory serves.

Just thought I'd mention it ...


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Grover something really smells with this whole incident. Either the news reporters don't know what they are talking about and not reporting the fact correctly or we are being fed a bunch of BS.

I will wait to see what the official story is and facts to make a determination, but so far this is all very very strange and not just a sad and violent act.

Originally posted by grover
Like I said in an earlier posting from what I am hearing here, again 35 miles from the site, the man had ammo belts on.... I have marksman and sharpshooter ribbons from the military and .22's and 9 mm do not come with ammo belts... also those type of weapons do not shoot through doors which several of the students who barricaded themselves in their classrooms have reported happening.