Researchers explore scrapping Internet

Once this new system is implemented it will make the retrieval of 'content' much easier for the masses. Grandma and Grandpa will be able to use and understand this system. Individuals who are technologically ignorant will love this new system. The large majority of the population will be using this new system, they will love it and they will be content. Few will see or care that fringe websites like this are gone, they will be too busy laughing at a video of some mook falling to his death.

I do think that there will be an underground for people like us, an alternative system that operates on nodes. Perhaps the range of HAM radio could be meshed with wifi connectivity? I think we need to start an open source movement for the creation of a new free internet that can be developed in parallel to the new Orwellian internet.

How do you know, Wingman? Do you know any details, or are you just speculating?

Originally posted by brill
The talk is to extend this capability solar system wide. Are we witnessing initial steps or just a logical extension to what already exists ?

An Interplanetary Internet has been in the works. Check out the this wikipedia entry.

Also note the involvement of Vint Cerf on this project as well.

The InterPlanetary Internet study at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) was started by a team of scientists at JPL led by Vinton Cerf and Adrian Hooke.

I'm gonna say this before I read the article, but would'nt an interplanetary
internet be sort of problematic beyond two or more farther than 7LS from
each other.


And it would be completely useless between Earth and anything as far out
as Pluto.

Originally posted by SmallMindsBigIdeas
The internet was originally used to move data back and forth between networks.

And now?

They had no idea at the massive sizes of the data files people would be moving (ie streamed media files). Originally people just sent emails, went to text-based websites and conversed in the newsgroups ... almost everything was text-based.

What you are talking about is bandwidth requirements, and since you acknowledge that it has been being improved:

The internet has gotten better and better over the years because they keep expanding the bandwidth but not much other changes.

I don't agree with the "not much other changes" part.

No much other changes? We've already disucussed IPv6, which is a major improvement.

What about the SSL/TLS cryptographic secure protocols? That allowed for such things like https (secure/encrypted http connections), sshd (secure remote shell), secure ftp transfers, SSL smtp and pop mail servers, and so on.
Again, a major improvement.

Like these, there are alot of other examples of current Internet technologies/systems/protocols being improved, enhanced, revised/upgraded, etc.

Like every other technology in the world change is not a bad idea.

I'm not against a 'change' or against improving our current technologies.

What I am against is using false pretenses and tricking people into thinking they are doing something for the good of the people when in fact it's all about control.

And that should worry everyone, specially the people of this forum who obviously enjoy the free speech exchange of information and ideas.

And it would be completely useless between Earth and anything as far out as Pluto.

hahaha

Pinging pluto with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28944008ms TTL=56
Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28942029ms TTL=56
Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28944087ms TTL=56
Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28943001ms TTL=56



[edit on 15-4-2007 by apc]

after a somewhat to a deeper look into the "new Internet" it is possible that things like spyware/adware, malware, virus', stolen Id's, etc. and just about all forms of "hacking" will no longer happen?

If so that is a plus factor, of course depending on your point of view. One thing that should be bothersome alone, is the fact that the government is blessing this team of researchers, so there is a huge grey area there, an unknown and suspicious component that we'd be wise not to miss, or dismiss as impossible for them to pull off.

If true, each person may ultimately be required to have personal identification made prior to accessing the new Internet, and are solely responsible for their account. Imagine being banned for life from the Internet.

If they ultimately control the content and exchange of information, maybe being banned is not such a bad thing.

There are a millions speculative scenarios one can come up with, in the end it is really up to this research group, and having their project approved, then implemented.

All we can do is watch it happen. if it indeed does.

As long as my computer, our server and your computer are running we will always have THIS internet, nobody can shut it down not to mention they'd have a HELL OF A TIME trying to convince ANYONE to go through the nightmare and RISK of moving all their data to some "new internet".

This is pure speculative researcher brainstorming that got leaked and sensationalized by the newsies on a very SLOW news day IMHO.


Springer...

[edit on 4-15-2007 by Springer]

Springer, I have a request, make mods and staff like you able
to recieve WATS votes, because that definately deserved one.

Originally posted by UM_Gazz
after a somewhat to a deeper look into the "new Internet" it is possible that things like spyware/adware, malware, virus', stolen Id's, etc. and just about all forms of "hacking" will no longer happen?

That's a great question.

Although I'm sure that security will be one of the principal 'features' of this new Internet, as all security systems, and as we know, aren't 100% unbreakable.

Basically all computer/digital security systems that have been developed have been broken, sooner or later, like AACS in DVDs/HD-DVDs/Blu-Ray in recent times.

I'm not against something that would benefit people and mankind in general, in theory. My problem is that I question the real motives behind this new Internet.

And given the fact that currently the US Government is already trying to gain control (or more control) of the Internet as it is, I say we should look at this new Internet very carefully.

How do you know, Wingman? Do you know any details, or are you just speculating?

Speculation my friend. Can you not see this as a possibility?

The internet is world wide and the USA is not the world - Bush-babie & company have sold the US out so thoroughly that the US can't control other countries infrastructure, as was possible during the cold war.

Too many multinational corporations make money off the current setup, and too many individualistic groups of hackers are out there ready to counter any move on the part of any government against the internet and personal freedom.

Just look at the RSA code-wars of the 1990's, where NSA did everything it could to stop high-level encryption becomming a public tool - and failed miserably.

In the 21st century, freedom will always be available for the technically fittest members of humanity - welcome to the new Darwinism.



[edit on 15-4-2007 by ElimGarak]

I can see the possibility. But you are saying that certain things WILL happen, like you knew all about it.

Anyone who doubts the potential this research program has with both federal and private sector funding... You should download and read this PDF file provided on the research group's website:

cleanslate.stanford.edu...

Enlightening?

Originally posted by apc

And it would be completely useless between Earth and anything as far out as Pluto.

hahaha

Pinging pluto with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28944008ms TTL=56
Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28942029ms TTL=56
Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28944087ms TTL=56
Reply from pluto: bytes=32 time=28943001ms TTL=56

BBS Will Return...

With the advent of wireless, shutting down the 'net will be impossible. Even if the "main" (e.g. ADSL) internet was shut down (easier done than you think), fragmented networks will exist, possibly linked by slower dial-up links for long-distance. I've still got an old MODEM (just in case).

To see what kind of monitoring/filtering is available now, you only have to look at China. The technology exists now to filter and monitor whatever "they" want.

If anyone has ever studied the structure of the 'net and how it runs, you'll see that an Internet 2 isn't required, only it makes the process much more integrated and harder to circumvent.

I actually think that would be a great idea, although it would be a huge disadvantage to everyday people and especially businesses. It would also play havoc with the stock-market and such.

I wonder if this will make it more expensive?
My instincts tell me that this is only a ploy to keep the price of access high.
I'm still waiting for broadband to drop in price to the old dial up prices.
The longer it's around, the cheaper it gets, so I've been told.
It's been slowly dropping but I've heard in a few years broadband will be dirt cheap.
You can guarantee this new internet they talk about will more than likely expensive to "cover costs" of course.

Or am I way off the mark?

I have come across the actual code to turn off the internet....

Tun off the Internet

Click on the link and then follow the instructiions

Internet 2 should create the ability to add huge amounts of bandwidth at will. This should lower costs to consumwers quite a bit. Ten terabit backbones are envisioned.

Thanks for that reply.

Here's hoping that if it is going to be forced on us at some point in the future, that we dont have to fund the bleedin' thing as well.