Nice post, but please don't get personal, when I am complaining that i wanted an answer to something, you don't need to talk about "my standards"
, because that has nothing to do with the debate.
My reaction is only to your pathetic attempt at a synopsis of my first post. It was rude, disrespectful and sorely put you in bad light. You should
also know your questions are asked in vain, it is not my responsibility to offer you an explanation, an explanation you should bring your self.
I want to answer first to your "History Briefing" about Palestine. I started it yes, but just disprove your statement that "Palestine was NEVER a
nation" - nothing more. I never said, that this justifies their actions my friend
OK, you disproved my saying Palestine was not a nation, and you wanted nothing more to do with it? How pointless, you make the statement and I refute
it. Palestine was a nation, but it was only a name change from Judea to Palestine by the Emperor Hadrian.
And you really believe Israel don't started the 6 Day War? Isn't a "preemptive strike" a start? It is. So your statement is wrong - but, you're
right if you say they didn't have a choice, i agree. They really had to start it.
So, its Israels fault for starting the war.. because they acted pre-emptily? But they had no choice? They "really had to start it", but are still
you are only talking in circles. The fact is, had Israel not attacked first, Egypt's air force would have gained air superiority,
and fast, the entire fleet was produced by the USSR, Migs mostly. The war was coming whether Israel wanted it or not, a strong offense is truly the
The UN is "biased and wasteful"? And Amnesty International and the Red Cross, too? Or do you stamp them like me "Anti Israeli"?
The UN passes quite a bit of resolutions, however most resolutions against Israel have to do with incursions to cull terrorist attacks in Palestine.
Had Palestinians not been blowing up buses and the like, there would be no incursion. The UN seems to miss that detail. Last I checked, blowing up
little old ladies and small children on city buses is in fact considered a war crime.
As for Amnesty International, I would strongly advise not using ANY information from them.. not only do they very selectively decide which stories to
cover (almost all involve the United States, Israel or the UK) so that they can portrait those they hate in a bad light, completely ignoring crimes
against humanity in much of South America, Africa, China, South East Asia, and even the Middle East.. ADL (Anti-Defamation League) called Amnesty
International "Bigoted, Biased, and Border Line Anti-Semitic"
?? Thanks god you're not a commanding general. Really.
The facts of war are indeed terrifying. Does not mean we should pretend they don't exist. As I said, war is hell.
I am not even going to attempt to try and find the meaning behind your little analogy, didn't make a whole lot of sense to me to be quite honest.. so
I will by-pass the ramblings of opinions and bring about an end to this debate.
It should be noted that before Israel even took over the Palestinian regions, they where under the control at different times by Egypt, and Jordan. I
have already discussed the hate both nations felt for the Palestinians, wanting nothing to do with them.
Palestine is split into two main regions. You have the Gaza Strip, which is a rather tiny piece of land that hugs the Mediterranean Sea. The other
and much larger portion is the West Bank, westward from Israel. The only major resource that the West Bank holds is water. The water is shared by
both Israel and Jordan. As of now Palestine has no control over the water, as it is a national resource of Israel.
Israel encouraged for several decade the practice of settlements, asking and often paying or subsidizing the movement of often hard line Jews from
main Israel to the most outer reaches of the Israeli country side. More often then not, these settlements where illegal, they crossed the
"green-line" that formed Israel after the 1948 armistices treaty of the Arab-Israeli war. These settlements showed that the land COULD
turned into fertile land. Some of these settlements became cities, the more successful ones have been salvaged by the Israeli government as they
began retreating settlements back away from the Palestinians. This is where you get the confusing network of walls as they try and save their cities.
The cities not left within the new boundaries are torn apart, burned, all soil destroyed and all buildings reduced to rubble.
The problem with the way the land was altered, mutated and all around completely changed is that it came at an extremely high price tag. The
settlements that faired the best, which had green lawns, parks and fountains where maintained by a higher-class residence, thus more tax money.
Now, you may be wondering where I am going with this.. It is not that I do not wish the Palestinians a home, every one deserves that. The problem
lies with the territory, they do not have the resources to turn the land into manageable. The country side is a wasteland, it is barren.
The economy of Palestine is no where near enough to care for the millions who live in the territory. If Palestine where to become a fully independent
nation, they would have to receive large amounts of international aid, be it economically and humanitarian to stay at current levels.. this is
evident when the world cut ties to Palestine for electing the terrorist group Ham mas into power. The country plummeted, the world bank referred to
it as the Great Depression.. and the only thing cut off was foreign aid! .. No one blocked trade with them, except Israel refused to but produce, only
13% of the entire Palestinian economy.. it is irresponsible to allow the rise of a state that will only fall.. it will be destroyed from within by
factions struggling to keep power and be the leader for the people.
there are some 3.3 million Palestinians inside the borders of Palestine.. there is another 1.1 million Palestinians that live within Israel (except
you think its to late to make amends. Israel has a problem with terrorist and radical Islam, not the people) But throughout the entire region of the
Arab state and even America, there are some 8.8 million Palestinians. If Palestine gets independence, you will have to estimate at least an
additional 3million Palestinians will return home, the fled the violence, once the violence ends they would return (much like Iraqi's at the
beginning of the war, only to have to run again)
A population increase at such a large scale would bring the country to its knees, if it is not there already. There is not a viable economic income
source that can provide for so many people. they bring in roughly 1.6billion (800 million+ in aid) dollars in income (tax) and spend an estimated
1.7billion. That of course before the economic aid cut off.
What I see happening, if Palestine gains complete independence, they will run out of money, people will expect Israel to pay them, the United States
will end up paying for them, unemployment will sky rocket from the already 15% and crime, gangs, militias will break out and the Israeli Army will
have to go in, again, to bring about calm.
When Palestine learns to manage them selves without consistently trying to make war with Israel as an answer to every little problem they have, when
they learn to take self responsibility, when they learn that violence will only bring about more violence, then they will have their own state.
Israel has no problem with a Palestinian neighbor, so long as its government can keep control of its people.. if not, they end up like Lebanon, who
tried to pretend the problem did not exist, and ended up paying a heavy price for their ignorance.
Bottom line, there were mistakes on both sides during the last 6 centuries of war. Too many people died, and if we believe Amnesty International,
there are more civilian deaths on the Palestinian side, that military deaths on the Israeli.
Your absolutely right, there had been mistakes on both sides. There have been intentional atrocities by both sides. And not even focusing on 6
centuries of war, but just the past 5 decades.. And while I would never believe a word from Amnesty International, there have been far more military
and civilian casualties on the Palestinian side, but you cannot blame Israel entirely. It takes two to make war, and it takes two to make peace. No
side is innocent in the atrocities.
If Palestine put as much energy into helping her people and building a better future for its self that it does in training suicide bombers, Palestine
future would be bright. right now it is quite gloomy.